Talk:Athena Asamiya

Spillover Gallery
I guess...? Sake neko 20:56, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

The main page can handle many illustrations. Look at the Ryu page for reference. Allow me to add more artworks to the main page so that this wikia will be comparable to Capcom's. We don't have a spillover sprite gallery so we don't need a hidden one for illustrations. It's useful and fun to look at them and informative when the game and artist is displayed below it. Don't ruin the fun! Wikia should be fun for readers to read! :) BurnsBogard 01:54, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Haha, that's true! Well, I'll forgive it since it's Athena. :) Sake neko 05:52, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't mind it for sprites since they're smaller than the gallery thumbnails and don't take up nearly as much space. There's also the matter the most of the time the character's appearance doesn't really change, just the art style. The reasoning that "Capcom does it!" doesn't really seem much of a reason to me really. But in this case I guess it's ok since she changes outfits every almost every appearance anyways. Kyosei 22:46, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

There is no reason why we need to have only 8 images in the gallery. This isn't wikipedia where we need to keep things short. No one is going to look for more pictures in the discussion page. I'm going to start adding many more than 8 images to the other character galleries as well, even if they wear the same outfit. If other wikias can handle more than 8 images than this one can as well. BurnsBogard 13:05, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
 * It's mostly to limit it from becoming larger than the article itself eventually. Similar to a block of text, a block of images is not that much better unless that's the purpose of the page. Such as Gallery of The King of Fighters '98 Endings. I think that's what eventually would need to happen with these character galleries if we added every game appearance. Kyosei 22:01, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

This Ryu article doesn't look bad even though there are a lot of images. http://capcomdatabase.wikia.com/wiki/Ryu. I think it's fine if it's at the very end of the article and do you think the average reader of the SNK wikia would mind if there were a lot of illustrations? I think they'd love looking at how the characters have evolved throughout the years. I'll comply with your wishes for now though and add more images to characters that are seriously lacking in them. Just think it over. Thanks! BurnsBogard 12:26, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Ryu's gallery is ok until you realize that it makes up for over half of his current article. I'd rather character articles to focus on the character itself in terms of information that people wouldn't necessary know (as a good portion of info we put up here is in Japanese only) rather than a "ooh look at the pretty pictures" gallery. It's easy to find a picture. There's other off-site websites that do the same thing and better than wikia anyways. Then there's also the matter of deciding what appearances to include in the gallery. If we were to include every outfit she's ever worn in every game, it'd be much bigger. There's at least, off of the top of my head, 20-30 we haven't included from mobile games alone. Limiting it to 8 keeps it from looking like we're favoring one character over another as well.


 * Besides as you notice with the character sprites we didn't actually add every single one from every game appearance either. Most of the them are just re-used over various games anyways. The only time a new sprite is really added is when it's either a) re-animated or b) a different sprite/appearance altogether. The gallery mostly reflected the same thing as well for appearances. Kyosei 18:57, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

This is an off-hand comment, but I recently read Ryu's page. Why don't they mention his original story from SFII? I've read it Japanese and it sounded pretty epic to put in. Plus, there's a lot of mistakes on his page in that they don't mention everything he's done in the series... Same with other SF characters like Ken and Cammy. Urgh, I want to fix it but I'm afraid most of the stuff will get rejected by Capcom fanboys. Reminds me of the mess over names and fights to keep individual character articles on wikipedia. Sake neko 08:59, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Athena's KOF XIII Sprite
I made a GIF for Athena's KOF XIII sprite some time ago, but didn't upload it for reasons I will now explain. While much controversy and interest has been devoted to the character sprites of Takuma and Hwa Jai, no one has mentioned the rather drastic and ugly change to Athena's KOF XIII sprite: namely, that her head now inflates and deflates like a big pink balloon. I understand the purpose behind this. There was quite an outrage, at least the in the West, about Athena's exaggerated physiognomy. The creators probably wanted to tweak her design to bring it closer to their earlier sprite sketches where Athena had a much slimmer head. The problem is, they did this in such a shoddy, lazy manner that it makes her look worse than the previous game, a feat I thought almost impossible.

Knowing that the game is still in development, I thought it best to wait until the game was released before I uploaded this sprite so the creator's might have time to fix this rather garish fault. Unfortunately, I can't keep others from doing the same. Therefore, I've uploaded a properly timed and synchronized version to reflect the current state of progress. I don't know how anyone else feels about this matter, but I think the new modified sprite looks like shit, and that's something I wouldn't say about any other KOF XIII sprite yet released. D3volv3r 08:24, May 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * It's fine to think whatever you like and criticize SNK and their art style but please keep your language to a minimum (oh noes four letter curse words) if you can. A wide variety of people of different ages come here and I'd rather not have someone coming to complain to me about it later on down the road. While personally it doesn't offend me, I know other people might not think the same. I know you only did it once from the above but still I'd like to keep it pg friendly if you get my drift. Kyosei 18:15, May 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * Honestly, if you never would have mentioned this, I never would have noticed Athena's head. That edit of hers doesn't bother me at all (mostly because I never noticed it in the first place), and I rather like her XII/XIII sprite. It's quite adorable. :P What sprite DOES look horrible is that anorexic Joe. XD
 * By the way, shouldn't her new artwork be uploaded as well to reflect her color change..? AquiferT 02:17, May 10, 2010 (UTC)

Is that true??
I have read from some sources Athena is in love with Kyo, and that is supposed they attended to the same High-School. Is that right? Well, it really doesn't affect the storyline, but I'm curious about.. Is that truth or not? Magegg 01:57, February 17, 2011 (UTC)
 * This is stuff that mostly comes from the KOF: Kyo manga and by extension the game of the same name. So it's not really canon though the drama CDs like to play around with the idea too. Kyosei 02:10, February 17, 2011 (UTC)

I'm wondering if I should omit the Athena "having feelings for Kyo" part of her personality. This is never outwardly stated and is more situated as gag material for Yuki to misunderstand. Saltamiya (talk) 01:00, April 23, 2018 (UTC)

It’s more a case of for early products. But yeah it’s stated in early works and side material that she does. It’s more a case of it hasn’t new mentioned lately. I think the page is fine with it though.--FFMaverick01 (talk) 01:46, April 23, 2018 (UTC)

Page 17 shows Yuki's misunderstanding and page 30 shows the clarification. I don't see where it's mentioned outright, can you show me? Saltamiya (talk) 01:57, April 23, 2018 (UTC)

If I remember right it’implird not outright stated like in the game. Though it’s been years sense I read the manga.--FFMaverick01 (talk) 02:32, April 23, 2018 (UTC)

Then it seems fair to remove that it's in different source material, including the manga, because I sourced the manga. If it's implied, it's up to interpretation and not a concrete fact so I hope that clarifies the article. But if it's an implication, that's an interpretation and I'll just remove it until it has more sources. Saltamiya (talk) 02:51, April 23, 2018 (UTC)

To be fair the edit said implied to begain with so it’s not incorrect.cansidering there are others sources that state it as well it seems fine to leave it--FFMaverick01 (talk) 02:56, April 23, 2018 (UTC)

Until you can show the sources, it shouldn't be there for now. I provided my sources as well. Saltamiya (talk) 03:00, April 23, 2018 (UTC)

Some sources thatimplied it were already listed. Others include early art books and drama cds. Most obviously you should play KOF: Kyo.--FFMaverick01 (talk) 03:02, April 23, 2018 (UTC)

I played KOF: Kyo. If you are correct about what you think, show me the screen shots and translations of the drama CDs. Saltamiya (talk) 03:06, April 23, 2018 (UTC)

First of all I dont need to prove anything to you. Second of all I’m not anywhere to send screenshots of anything. Third if you can’t see when other websites like http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Characters/TheKingOfFightersTheRugalSaga03 do that’s on you.--FFMaverick01 (talk) 03:11, April 23, 2018 (UTC)

There's no source, it just links to another TV Tropes page. The point of the Wiki is to share and compare facts. If we should add another section for interpretations, that would be cool too. Saltamiya (talk) 03:15, April 23, 2018 (UTC)

That’s the point read under Athena you will see basically the same thing as the edit. Others can clearly see the implications so it’s no use arguing about them.--FFMaverick01 (talk) 03:18, April 23, 2018 (UTC)

If you're not anywhere to send screenshots, there is no rush since the page can always be edited, so don't worry. You can always come back when you find the sources. But anything written on the Wiki page for now should be sourced. On TV Tropes, it's not as strict because TVTropes is meant to be a site for interpretations. But with the Wiki, we make our judgements based on the sources presented. Saltamiya (talk) 03:22, April 23, 2018 (UTC)

I’d hate to break it to you but anyone who’s worked a wiki long enough knows tv tropes is way stricter. Now the edit states:

“The drama CDs imply that Athena has feelings for Kyo, but since Kyo is dating Yuki, she respects their romantic relationship and settles for simply staying friends with both of them.”

While all the sources listed indicate exactly that so what exactly is your issue with the edit? Because nothing stated is incorrect.--FFMaverick01 (talk) 03:28, April 23, 2018 (UTC)

Where in the drama CDs, though? I have never found any translations of them online. I won't edit the article for the drama CDs but even in the page of that link, it isn't mentioned anywhere about Athena's crush. Saltamiya (talk) 03:29, April 23, 2018 (UTC)

Well, I also agree. The only official (and maybe canonical) fact that Athena Asamiya has a crush on Kyo is the sentence where it mentions the CD Drama, but it will be good if we know who wrote that and ask for clarification or evidence. Until then I think its ok that we can edit that Athena has no romantic interest on Kyo, or even if she considered that but stopped for Yuki.Kein Sylvan (talk) 03:41, April 23, 2018 (UTC)

The links for the videos would be great for the Wiki! In the link to the drama CD page, it doesn't say she acts flustered and her acting flustered doesn't necessarily have to do with a crush, depending on the context of what's happening in the CD. For now, a memory shouldn't be considered a source and the article should omit the Kyo crush until we have the link with translation. Saltamiya (talk) 03:41, April 23, 2018 (UTC)

Again no we shouldn’t I it’s not like this breaking news. It’s been known for some time like I said even tv tropes noticed it. So for now it’s fine as is. Even if you can’t confirm the drama cd, you’d need to be blind to deny King of fighters Kyo.

On YouTube all there is now is 96 and Iori drama cds, so it must have been taken down.--FFMaverick01 (talk) 03:51, April 23, 2018 (UTC)

YMMV is where that belongs on TV Tropes, because her feelings for Kyo aren't clearly romantic. You also haven't shown your sources for KOF: Kyo. The point of the Wiki is to prove all edits to articles. This is an interpretation. If we should add interpretations to the Wiki articles, that's cool too. But until then, it shouldn't be in the article without a solid source. Saltamiya (talk) 03:55, April 23, 2018 (UTC)

What!? Are we going to assume Athena's point of view of KOF KYO? Maybe we can accept also Kasumi got a crush on Kyo like KOF manhuas. No. Absolutely no Kein Sylvan (talk) 04:00, April 23, 2018 (UTC)

We are not going to assume anything we are going to take obvious hints. When other wikis pick up on this and we don’t we look like punks.if it’s in multiple sources then yes we put it. If it’s true with Kasumi then yeah. Go ahead and put it on her page.--FFMaverick01 (talk) 04:06, April 23, 2018 (UTC)

Its true. It happened on the point of view of the author in the KOF Mnahua. But on the game and official lore that didn't happen. Same for KOF Kyo. As good as many personifications were great, the manga is not canon on the official lore. And even so, the manga states that Athena just wants to understand how and whatbis to be strong, not a crush on Kyo Kein Sylvan (talk) 04:36, April 23, 2018 (UTC)

Again that’s why it says imply we could edit it to say certain material shows Athena with a crush while other material doesn’t. As it is I’m not sure wher it is in game lore it hasn’t been mentioned since 2000.--FFMaverick01 (talk) 04:48, April 23, 2018 (UTC)

Well, I just read abot the summary of the KOF 2000 CD Drama and didn't find anything that imply Athena has a crush on Kyo.

In the manga also it's clear she doesn't have a crush on Kyo, she only looks for the reason why Kyo is so strong. Kein Sylvan (talk) 14:33, April 25, 2018 (UTC)

You’re right nothing in king of fighters Kyo indicates a crush....exact ya know blushing, shyness, etc, but yeah nothing at all. Also as noted above why don’t you try listing to the actual cd. It’s not going to mentioned in the summery because it’s not exactly central to the plot.--FFMaverick01 (talk) 16:32, April 25, 2018 (UTC)

Yeah. Why not also with Iori since she cried for him when she watched his kid soul, or searched for him to stop his fighting.

So if the summary doesn't explain the Athena crush, why to list it as if it was mentioned there? Nonsense. Kein Sylvan (talk) 16:47, April 25, 2018 (UTC)

Comparing the Kyo situation to her reading about Iori past isn’t even remotely the same. You mention the source where her actions indicate a crush. Her being bashful with Kyo isn’t imprtant to the main plot, so why would you put it in Summery. I’m done arguing with you.--FFMaverick01 (talk) 16:53, April 25, 2018 (UTC)

Yeah. Whatever. A blush could also be she kinda is shy to express her desire to know why Kyo is strong. Not that she has romantic feelings for Kyo.Kein Sylvan (talk) 17:00, April 25, 2018 (UTC)
 * Uh I'm not sure why you guys are having such a big edit war over such a minor detail. Like I already mentioned above in the comment I made about this over 7 years ago to not take it too seriously as this is mostly something teased at in cross media projects and not to take it as canon. She already has an other media page where you can simply move said personality note. To be honest, KOF in of itself is already an AU for Athena and technically nothing from that series is canon for her either but we keep it in the main article for characters because the series is popular. Kyosei (talk) 04:43, April 30, 2018 (UTC)

I’d be fine moving it to Other media. My argument mostly came from them denying it happened at all. I also said it wasn’t a major detail for her character.--FFMaverick01 (talk) 04:59, April 30, 2018 (UTC)

It keeps being mis-sourced as being in several different media and the manga, but I already proved it wasn't in the manga and there's no other sources of it. It also doesn't seem so significant it should be in the article. Athena also isn't a crybaby who is afraid of danger. I'm not sure where that comes from as well. Saltamiya (talk) 19:16, April 30, 2018 (UTC)

Why rename the page?
So why was the page suddenly renamed to "Athena (King of Fighters)"? Joe Musashi (talk) 13:17, August 10, 2015 (UTC)

Probably because the character Athena Asamiya is different from Athena Princess/Goddess. Kein Sylvan (talk) 19:28, November 13, 2015 (UTC)Kein Sylvan

Athena's Powers and Relation to Goddess
On the English inlay for Psycho Soldier, Athena (the goddess) has changed and gone to a new world. This review and this reviewstate that it is the Goddess Athena that's "whisked through time and space".

The SNK History site states that Athena Asamiya is a descendant, as well as the SNK Arcade Classics site.

Thanks, Kein Sylvan!

Saltamiya (talk) 01:14, April 23, 2018 (UTC)