User talk:Sake neko

Hey, welcome!
Hello Sake neko, welcome to SNK Wiki! I'm Mr.Kraken, this wikia's owner. Feel free to ask anything, although it looks like you've got experience with this kind of thing. Nice article you created, I like it! See ya! Mr.Kraken 13:49, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the help
Thanks for the correct spelling of my edits. :) i'm not very good in english :-(
 * No prob. Er, whoever you are. :) Sake neko 23:59, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Well, well, nice job!
Well, since you've joined us I've been liking what you've been doing. Creating articles, adding information, you know what? How about becoming a sysop? What do you say? Mr.Kraken 20:55, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the compliemnts. Er... what does sysop mean? Sake neko 21:49, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Means admin. Want to? Mr.Kraken 23:07, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Not really. I just like adding info on the video company I like. Thanks anyways. :) Sake neko 23:08, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Samurai Shodown / Samurai Spirits information.
Hello, I am Black Shroud, you can view me as one of central figures in current Samurai Shodown online communities, and I believe I know almost all other major figures and players in those communities.. I am into this franchise for more than 4 years and to that end I gathered and translated from japanese alot of related info (including from japanese wikipedia), with thoughts of putting it together then in form of several documents. Actually I like 100 links to related resources, mostly japanese ones. As I see you are contributor of most Samurai Shodown info there, seemingly it is being taken from main wikipedia but I see some new stuff here as well (although there is big chance you were contributor to main wikipedia articles too). I have more info to contribute, however, some of it is too massive for wikipedia format I think, especially Samurai Shodown cultural/religious references (I made several researches on that), full texts of biographies/endings, special remarks about movelists evolution, reviews and so on. If "sake neko" is your main nickname, which means youre not Saiki and not Deuce and that I dont know you already, I would like yo contact you via ICQ or MSN if possible, or in case you are registered on some of Samurai Shodown-related forums, I can contact you there. My ICQ number in 337059977, my MSN is maneev (at) voliacable (dot) com See you
 * Well, this isn't wikipedia and wikia's pretty free reign for that type of info. Just add more sub-sections and explain away. I don't have any of those instant messengers -because they lag too much with my connection- so just reply back here if you wanna stay in touch. I also used to be signed in on forums awhile back, but I don't even remember my older passwords anymore so I can't do much about that. Be a member and contribute! That'd be funner. :) Sake neko 17:48, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Samurai Shodown / Samurai Spirits information.
Hello, I am Black Shroud, you can view me as one of central figures in current Samurai Shodown online communities, and I believe I know almost all other major figures and players in those communities.. I am into this franchise for more than 4 years and to that end I gathered and translated from japanese alot of related info (including from japanese wikipedia), with thoughts of putting it together then in form of several documents. Actually I like 100 links to related resources, mostly japanese ones. As I see you are contributor of most Samurai Shodown info there, seemingly it is being taken from main wikipedia but I see some new stuff here as well (although there is big chance you were contributor to main wikipedia articles too). I have more info to contribute, however, some of it is too massive for wikipedia format I think, especially Samurai Shodown cultural/religious references (I made several researches on that), full texts of biographies/endings, special remarks about movelists evolution, reviews and so on. If "sake neko" is your main nickname, which means youre not Saiki and not Deuce and that I dont know you already, I would like yo contact you via ICQ or MSN if possible, or in case you are registered on some of Samurai Shodown-related forums, I can contact you there. My ICQ number in 337059977, my MSN is maneev (at) voliacable (dot) com See you

Then I have some organisational questions
1st one is I will need to double-save information for my samsho guide and also in case vandalism happens here and this open-source stuff has its chances for vandalism or fake info. Also I would like to keep track not only for changes that are being made there (new info added in all samsho articles) but also I would like to know sources like for example if I will read something I dont know (though I doubt it) it would be interesting for me to hear from where it was taken and isnt it fake. Like if I read Saiki's plot guide on gamefaqs, its not full etc but I can trust him as the source because I know he is interested in supporting genuine info. And then, organisational questions like format of overall terms used. For example Slash and Bust modes though really used in english versions of game are actual mistranslastions of Shura and Rasetsu modes from original japanese versions. They just gone Shura - Shurash - Slash; and Rasetsu - Basetsu - Bust and that loses the sense completely, because Shura and Rasetsu refer to deities of kind and with Bust I only can hear stuff on forums like "Hey, Bust Rimururu is busty!". For another example I dont see sense in two Warriors Rage games. Not only PSX game international title was New Chapter (shinsho means new chapter),but moreso, Asura Zanmaden doesnt means Warriors Rage as well, Asura is name of a character and Zanmaden is translated as "slashin demon legend). Also I cant stand anymore EngRish than game title itself (Samurai Sho(w)down) and because of this I translate all movenames and all I can myself, to preserve original sense. Then if I will "contribute" and do game justice by editing everything as I think will be right, will it beacceptable generally ? I think such things can be talked out before with other posters.
 * Wow that was a lot of things you posted (I guess you're the same guy from before?) but I'll try my best to answer your questions and such.
 * Fake info and vandalism isn't really that big of an issue here. It's basically one of those things where if a fan knows it's wrong, they'll either correct it or raise an objection. Like I said, this isn't wikipedia where we have long and overblown arguments over source validity. The community's smaller so that's a plus (it means we're more laid back this thing).


 * When I add stuff that's from a Japanese only source, I mentioned where I found it in the summary comment box. If someone says it's wrong, I'll scan the page/link the website I found it on and show it the complainer's userpage. Then we can talk out from there whether the info's legit. If it gets to the point where you can't even stand it anymore, report the issue to the admin (in this case, Mr. Kraken). Fortunately, I haven't had to do this yet (although it's happened before at wikipedia). That's all it really should be, y'know?


 * My personal rule of thumb: don't post something up here unless you've got the official info in your hands and know that it's genuine info. A lot of the information that I've been posting lately is stuff that's mentioned in the All About Fighting Volume 2 and The King of Fighters Perfect Reader. It's pretty hard to argue with that.


 * The wikia's generally aimed to appeal to English speakers so that's why everything's er... "not like the original". Some names are just changed by SNK-USA for some reason, simple as that. That's why we list the Japanese title next to the English one so people can not really buy into the weird translations. So in other words:
 * Bust and Slash are just the English equivalent that was first introduced in SSIII. Not everyone knows the original names to everything. If you want, you can post what it's supposed to mean in parenthesis next to the term on the game's page.
 * "Warriors Rage" for the two games came from the English SS Official Anniversary Site. It lists both games using the same "Warriors Rage" name. Yes, their names are completely different in Japanese. That's why the original Japanese is posted next to the English equivalent.
 * Either way, SNK's been pretty inconsistent with their English translations since Art of Fighting and Fatal Fury. I mean "The Three Sacred Treasures" for KOF have been also called "Three God Items", "Divinity Vessels", and at least one other name that I can't remember from the games themselves. They all basically mean the same thing but you hardly see anyone else really use anything but "Three Sacred Treasures", the name first mentioned in KOF '96. Same thing too with Rimururu. She has that whole Rimnerel name floating around, but the name from the game stuck more.

I think that's it. Talk to Mr. Admin if you've got more issues though. :) Sake neko 21:22, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Samurai Shodown / Samurai Spirits
1788 early spring - 1788 early summer

Samurai Shodown II / Samurai Spirits: Haohmaru's Journey to Hell
1789 spring - 1789 summer

Samurai Shodown III / Samurai Spirits: Zankuro's Infinite Sword
1788 summer - 1788 early autumn

Samurai Shodown IV / Samurai Spirits: Amakusa's Advent
1788 autumn - 1788 early winter

Samurai Shodown 64 / Samurai Spirits 64
1789 autumn - 1790 summer

Samurai Shodown 64 Warriors Rage / Samurai Spirits: Tale of Slashing Demon Asura
1790 late autumn - 1790 winter

Samurai Shodown Warriors Rage PSX / Samurai Spirits: New Chapter of Blade
1811

Samurai Shodown V / Samurai Spirits Zero
1786 January - 1786 late summer

Samurai Shodown VI / Samurai Spirits: Tale of World's Greatest Swordsmen
Alternative continuity after Samurai Shodown V

Samurai Shodown Edge of Destiny / Samurai Spirits: Flash
Unknown (but happens certainly after Samurai Shodown 64).

I think its the best to eliminate confusion of game titles and timeline (a official US title, then translated japanese title, then when game takes place in storyline). In Preface you write everything that happened with character BEFORE events of first game he appeared in. I used it in Rimururu article so far but I think it will be the best for using everywhere so I thought about informing you. About place od Edge of Destiny in timeline I judged from Haohmaru's age because he has a date of birth and his age in Edge of Destiny was leaked by one of game developers when he was asked about when game takes place., so I counted and it seems to be between SS64 and Warriors Rage/Asura Zanmaden games, although I doubt it counts as same storyline and not something alternative.

Also please look on my userpage, I made some points there and I want some constructive dialog.Black Shroud 14:52, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Elimination of confusion with "Shin Gaoh" article
link http://snk.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Shin_Gaoh Please read this Black Shroud 11:02, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah I've read it. Did you see my reply? Sake neko 22:29, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Sake neko...
Hey man, is there a way I can talk to you in private? -- Mr.Kraken 23:01, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I guess. Anything wrong? Sake neko 23:02, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I think so. -- Mr.Kraken 23:04, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
 * All I've got is email though. That okay? Sake neko 23:08, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, no problem. -- Mr.Kraken 23:10, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
 * saki_neko@peoplepc.com ; Yeah, it's a typo but that'll get to me eventually. Sake neko 23:14, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
 * E-mail sent. -- Mr.Kraken 23:30, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Reply sent. Sake neko 00:06, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks, neko. -- Mr.Kraken 01:58, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

I'll team up with you.
(-)He pats you on the back(-) Hey, buddy! Since you put down information, I'll put up the pictures. So, how about it? Teaming up? Sake neko & M-A-S-T-A K-illa, huh?--User:M-A-S-T-A K-illa 17:21, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
 * That's great. Except right now, there are a lot of articles that need more information at the moment. I'm on hold for adding new articles now since there are now a lot of stub articles that need fixing. Maybe you can help out too? :) Sake neko 18:33, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Yeah. Anytime you need me, you know where I'll be! --M-A-S-T-A K-illa 20:36, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Just a test.
Hey, neko, Tell me what you think of this picture and what she is doing in this picture. --M A S T A K illa 16:29, 16 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Jumping up and waving a pom-pom in the air like a cheerleader. She might be scoring a point in the hoop for all I know. Sake neko 16:33, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

More of it: Jumping up to show that her breasts can bounce, but good! Now tell me what you think of this, and what she is doing. --M-A-S-T-A K-illa 16:42, 16 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Probably dribbling a ball or dodging an attack. Something with motion. Sake neko 16:54, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Good! Now tell me what you think of this and what she's doing. --M-A-S-T-A K-illa 16:58, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Not much. Just doing what you see really. I'm guessing this is a gesture she does while she's talking to someone. Sake neko 17:37, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Good! Now tell me what you think of those.





First: Tell me what you think Mary is doing in this image.
 * Touching her chest (about where her heart is). Looking feminine and swauve as usual. Sake neko 17:51, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Then: Tell me what you think Alice is doing in this image.--M-A-S-T-A K-illa 17:49, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Judging from the screenshots of the game, Alice's looking worried for Terry. Sake neko 17:51, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Look!
Hey. Tell me what you think of those pictures I uploaded, and what is Blue Mary doing in those images.

M-A-S-T-A K-illa 18:35, 16 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Looks like she's just being Mary. I don't know what else to say other than she's in bold and sexy poses. =shrugs= Sake neko 18:38, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Hey, there! I'm gonna ask you one more time, ok?
Hello, miss (you are a girl, right? :x) Sake neko! How are you doing? Well, well, I'm extremely sorry if I'm just being a pain in the... you know where; but, I'm just seeking what is best for the wikia. So, I'm gonna ask you one more time: Wanna become an admin? -- Mr.Kraken 23:02, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Hrm, but then I couldn't say "Mr. Admin" anymore. Sake neko 23:48, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay... that would be a terrible loss XD! - But, come on, think about it! -- Mr.Kraken 00:12, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll think about it. Sake neko 00:13, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Although I appreciate the offer, I think I'd eventually distort my admin powers somewhere down the road. Like, I'd be too quick to kick people out or erase double images too soon. I'm going to decline, but I'll still contribute. :) Sake neko 07:10, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Samurai Shodown series timeline/ Analog to 20th/21st century?
OK its sounds very obscure, but should that be noted that the timeline of SamSho somehow paralles our 20th/21st History?

The Story of the SamSho Games from I trough V and also SamSho 64-1 begins in 1786-9, in a cold war like era. Japan is in a chaotic state of war, they are many demon creatures in the Games and some characters like Neinhalt Sieger and Andrew have Firearms that are about their time. But then, in 1791, in edge of Destiny, these Fantasy-like features all disappears in favor of a 1990's like World (instead of a large scale war in Japan, there are Terrorist attacks around the world) and economic themes (Nakuru and Rimuru being abadoned by Nature) and the Weapons in the game are normal for their Time (except Suzuhimes Dragon Slayer ^^)

And finally, in 1811 ([]), possibly analogous to 2011, the Story resolves around the end of the Samurai Era (can be compared with the alleged end of the World in 2012, because of the Mayan Calender, google it ^^) and a revolution war in Japan. Also, most of the characters weapons are more "futuristic" in appearance, like Sayas blades and Mikotos Sword thing.

From Mi$ter []. and sorry for my bad englisch :-(
 * I understand what you're saying but I don't think it's completely right to say that the Samurai Shodown story is a parallel of our history. It's a non-fictional fantasy at best (very lenient when I say that) and the series only borrows aspects of history to better establish their settings for people who kinda care about that sort of thing. I'd say that the series' historical references are more like historical portrayals in fiction more than anything else. Besides, that's like saying the same for The Last Blade series because they have the Shinseigumi and such. Sake neko 23:47, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the answers, Sake Neko. =)

From Mi$ter http://snk.wikia.com/wiki/User:1950drnash1987.

Mark of the Wolves online novel?
Hello, Sake neko. I'm reading some things about this Mark of the Wolves online novel you've been putting on some pages... and I'm really curious about it. Is there anywhere I can read it? - Mr.Kraken 12:18, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
 * When I say online novel, I mean it's the online novel to the much rumored Mark of Wolves sequel that SNK reportedly scraped. When Garou was released a third time, Playmore posted the unfinished story in novel format since they wanted to explain some of the cliffhangers left in the game. It's down from the site but BoHyou was crazy enough to keep a copy of all of it (and then some) on their site. http://bohyou.vis.ne.jp/neogeo/ss/index.htm


 * Since it's more like an unfinished concept from the developers rather than an official story for a game, I put the tag "online novel" on there. I guess this could be erased when the actual sequel to Garou comes out. Sake neko 17:39, 26 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Hey, thanks, but... I can't really read japanese... Do you know any good online translator? The only one I know is World Lingo and it's full of adwares... -- Mr.Kraken 23:26, 26 September 2008 (UTC)


 * From my experiences with online translators, there are no really good ones. They always have a lot of broken sentences and can't really translate slang very well. There's babelfish and excite but they're picky about which Japanese font they'll translate. The best one I found for this particular page was yahoo japan. It's still pretty flighty but at least it has a better flow than others. |for=0|sp=-5|fs=100%|fb=0|fi=0|fc=FF0000|db=T|eid=CR-EJ,k7a3e3893016567feb370ebbc60e2c9a6,t20080927210126, By the way, this first page is just Rock's ending from Garou. Keeping that in mind you can pretty much compare how off it is. Sake neko 00:15, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Hey!
Hello neko! It's been a while, huh?--M-A-S-T-A K-illa 22:25, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
 * It has hasn't it? Where've you been? :) Sake neko 01:55, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

I had to take a break for a while--M-A-S-T-A K-illa 23:59, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

A Samurai Shodown Warriors Rage (PSX) gimmick
Hanzo in Warriors Rage is called Nidaime Hanzo (Hanzo the Second). Its not the same man that Hanzo from other games. As I saw on the net it should be Shinzo, son of original Hanzo, that was host for the Amakusa in previous games. Original Hanzo then is retired it seems. Oboro is mentioned to be defeated by Original Hanzo in a duel before he was cast off from the Iga Ninja clan. Jigen Taishi is something like a ringleader of rebellion, and Oboro servers him. Nidaime Hanzo (Shinzo) seeks Jigen Taishi, and translation of US version of game makes it like Jigen is father of Hanzo. Japanese version makes Hanzo refer to Jigen as "oyaji" or "oyaji-dono" which isnt necessary a "father". In Nidaime Hanzo's ending in the end a man appears (ninja standing on roof) who praises Hanzo's ninja skills, and calls him his son. There a thoughts its too Jigen (escaped death) and therefore he is Shinzo's father. Other thoughts are Jigen was killed and person appearing in ending is Original Hanzo.

So, my questions are: Who is Jigen Taishi to Iga Ninja clan ?; How Jigen and Nidaime Hanzo are related ?; Is Jigen Taishi = Original Hanzo ?; Black Shroud 09:54, 13 October 2008 (UTC)


 * The short answer is that Jigen isn't related to Hanzo at all.


 * I re-read the Japanese script for Hanzo's ending over again and I didn't see Shinzo talking to Jigen at all. He only talks to Oboro about him and he's hardly that respectful about it. Shinzo just said that his father must've known about Oboro's plans as well. It's best to think of Jigen as the new Ambrosia for the game since he's (it's?) an earthly Buddhist entity that would be hazardous to life as we know it. Oboro was going to summon him as the eternal payback to Hanzo (any one of them really). You can see the pedestal Oboro created for Jigen in the Metamorphosis movie. Hanzo (the original) is referred to as a mysterious man (or Iga man) at the end so I don't think he's Jigen at all.


 * And yeah, Hanzo in Warriors' Rage is Shinzo. The creators wanted to point this fact out by making him slightly different in various ways. He's not officially referred to as "the Second Hanzo" in-game (unless there's an official nickname I'm not thinking about) since Shinzo taking up his father's mantle was meant to be a surprise of sorts for people who are picking up the game for the first time. The Second Hanzo name gained a widespread acceptance by fans once more people played it.


 * Additionally, younger Shinzo called his father "Chichue" -or however you want to romanji it- which is the traditional and somewhat submissive term for father. I hardly think he wants to seem weak when he's the new Hanzo (and he grew up since then) so he switched to the more masculine and just as affectionate "oyaji" when he's talking about his father to others. He refers to Oboro as "omae" when he speaks to him and "ayatsume" when he's not around him; both terms are derogatory as it gets for the archaic and formal Shinzo. Keeping that in mind, there's no way he'd casually slip and call Oboro or Jigen "old man" in a nice way (the alternate meaning to "oyaji"). The mysterious man also says "musuko yo", a cue in to Japanese fans that it's the old Hanzo since he pretty much said that throughout the series. Hope that answers your questions. Sake neko 10:15, 13 October 2008 (UTC)