Talk:Brider

Is Ikki really Japanese? I can tell by his full name.
 * You're making the assumption that he's Japanese. Yes, he has a Japanese name, but that does not mean he was born in Japan or that he is Japanese. Characters who are labeled with actual nationalities (i.e. Gowcaizer, Hellstinger and Karin Son), are that way because it was specifically mentioned in their back stories. Remember you previously labeled Shaia Hishizaki as Japanese based on the assumption by name only and it was later revealed that she's actually an alien. Kyosei 22:49, November 29, 2009 (UTC)
 * How in the world did you know about some of the characters' nationalities??? 68.205.83.35 03:22, February 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * I found all the information for these characters from this page. The webmaster is a very dedicated fan of retro video games so all I had to do was translate it. I used a couple other fansites in my search too since Gowcaizer had a small gathering of fans in Japan. Sake neko 04:58, February 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * Just because Ikki's backstory doesn't mention his birthplace doesn't mean his nationality is unknown. Kash's backstory doesn't say that he was born in England. 68.205.83.35 21:13, March 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * There are plenty of instances where you cannot judge where a character was born based on their name alone such as Trevor Spacey and Robert Garcia. Kash's backstory does say he was born in England if you actually read the original Japanese source. His story is summarized version of that since it's not necessary to translate it word for word. Kyosei 07:12, March 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * It's not always effective to determine a character's nationality just by looking at his or her backstory. You have to look for the names of the character's family and/or friends since this will give you a hint about the character's true nationality. For example, Kasumi from Ninja Master's is a member of a ninja clan whose other members were born in Japan. This will give you a hint that Kasumi is actually Japanese. Trevor Spacey, Robert Garcia, and Tarma Roving are the only known characters who do not originate from any English-speaking country despite their names. Their ethnicities are white only because of their names. It is an obscure fact that Ikki and the Asahina Twins from Voltage Fighter Gowcaizer and Kasumi and Natsume from Ninja Master's have unknown nationalities despite their names and ethnicities. Just because Kash traveled to England near the end of his backstory, doesn't mean he was born in that country. Just because Ikki, the Asahina Twins, Kasumi, and Natsume's backstories don't mention their birthplaces, doesn't mean that their nationalities are unknown. 68.205.83.35 14:14, March 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * He didn't travel to England, he has a home in England. Big difference. Having a Japanese name does not imply they were born in Japan. they could've been adopted, born somewhere else and later moved to Japan (since that's where the school is) and then took a Japanese name. We don't know which is why you or I cannot judge by name alone where they are from. Their backstories do not specify where they come from which is why I don't like to make assumptions on their origins. It's arrogant at best to say you know as much when you really don't know for sure. Kyosei 23:10, March 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't think Ikki, the Asahina Twins, Kasumi, and Natsume moved to Japan. They were not born somewhere else. You're making the assumption that their nationalities are unknown only because their backstories don't mention where they were born. I don't understand Japanese. There is also no clear evidence that these characters were born somewhere else, moved to Japan, and then adopted Japanese names. Kyo Kusanagi has a Japanese name, but his backstory does not say that he was born in Japan. 68.205.83.35 22:13, April 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * Kyo's backstory doesn't have to say he was born in Japan because KOF characters, unlike Voltage Fighter characters, get more detailed profiles which say where they are born. We don't have to make guesses or assumptions because SNK tells us right from the get go. Voltage Fighter characters do not get the same treatment. Their official profiles do not state a clear birthplace unlike the KOF ones. Secondly, you completely missed the point I was making when I said that you do not know where they were born from just their name alone. These were just possible examples as to why you cannot make these assumptions. You make absolute assertions that there is proof beyond a reasonable doubt that they are from Japan without providing any evidence yourself. The burden of proof does not lie with me, it lies with you who are making the claim that they are Japanese. I say I don't know what nationality they are as nothing in either their backstory or profile suggests any. If you can find it, let me know and I'll consider your claims. Kyosei 03:58, April 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * I know that these characters are from Japan despite their backstories not mentioning them, while you are not sure of it. Because of this, you're making the assumptions that they are not Japanese in spite of their names. But in reality, they were normally born in Japan. The information provided by the Web master for the characters from Voltage Fighter Gowcaizer is a secondary source. 68.205.83.35 22:26, April 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * Saying I don't know is not an assumption, it is a logical conclusion based on the facts given because I know there are some characters who do have Japanese names but are not. If there is nothing clearly stating a nationality, I am not going to make any assumptions as to what they are. Saying they are born in Japan because their names are Japanese is an assumption. You say you know without providing any evidence to back up your belief. This is an assumption. I am not making any assumptions at all. I just say I don't know. That is not an assumption. The backstories taken from the fan site are straight copy and paste of their original stories provided by the game company themselves thus making it a primary source. Not a secondary source. Kyosei 23:35, April 13, 2010 (UTC)