User talk:Blasterdark

Welcome
Hi, welcome to ! Thanks for your edit to the The King of Fighters XIV page. Enjoy your stay and contribute. Ways you can help out are:


 * Create new articles from our wanted pages list!


 * Expand the fighting style sections for character articles.


 * Create character movelists!


 * If you know more about the subject, feel free to expand any of our short pages!

Please note that this is an automated message. However, feel free to leave a message on my talk page if I can help with anything! Kyosei (talk) 10:32, November 1, 2015 (UTC)

Re:Contributions
There's nothing stopping you from updating the wiki if you see outdated info. The main thing I tend to undo is fan speculation or fanon. If you actually looked at the edits I undo most of it is trivia based on fan opinions or edits to infoboxes that fans shoe horn in their favorite ships/couples. And if they do talk directly to me about me removing it I do go to their talk page to tell them why I removed it. Normally when it comes to fandom I don't mind this, but this is a wiki that adheres to strictly canon. If it didn't come from SNK themselves it gets removed. There's already a lot of misinformation spread as is about SNK when it comes to their canon, we don't need it here.

If it's not the above, I'm usually just removing redundant info. You don't need to see the same thing said twice if possible. Short and concise is the way to go. It's in no way meant as a form of malice when I cut down writing, it's simply just me wanting to cut straight to the point. There's also a lot of contributors whose first language is obviously not English. I tend to have to go over it to correct any grammar and spelling errors. Kyosei (talk) 00:37, December 17, 2015 (UTC)
 * I do not doubt users' sincerity when it comes to improving the wiki. In that case you referenced, I don't find references particularly helpful when it comes to games. Mainly because most of this info is just coming from the games themselves. It's not like a historical/scientific topic where scores of research papers or books need to be sourced. And again all franchise specific sources are sourced in the list in the link I provided, which can be quite literally accessed from every single page on the wiki. This is not an exaggeration; it's up at the very top of the wiki under the community tab as the first link. The fact the said user felt it was hidden/hard to find is somewhat dubious. Rather than cluttering articles with a reference list, it's neatly organized in a single organized master list similar to what you would find in a book with its citations listed at the end. Besides I don't see the need to do it like Wikipedia. Unlike Wikipedia, we are focused on a single video game company. Kyosei (talk) 09:47, December 17, 2015 (UTC)
 * I highly doubt putting reference list as you suggest are going to bring as many visitors/contributors as you suggest. Some of the most popular wikis on wikia do not use these. Even then, every character page has a game, anime and cameo appearances list. In lieu of a reference list, this basically serves the same purpose. Kyosei (talk) 17:08, December 17, 2015 (UTC)
 * Articles are already organized in a user friendly manner with info separated into clearly defined sections. There's already plenty of traffic for a niche wiki. Over 15k views just yesterday. It's not as dire as you think it is. Kyosei (talk) 18:31, December 18, 2015 (UTC)
 * To be honest the best way to increase views is have SNK release more games that aren't mobile or pachislots. The only reason I mentioned organization is because you brought it up first in your previous reply to me: Pages need to be shown as full of relevant information with properly organize user friendly way.


 * To be frank I still fail to see how adding a reference list will help increase viewers as you claim. As I said before, the appearance list tells viewers every game a character appears if the reader is so inclined. On top of that if you read the story summaries, they tell you exactly which game they're talking about adding references in this case is extremely redundant. I never liked how citations take away from the reading experience. It looks messy and takes the reader straight down to the bottom of the page if they click said citation and readers will have to scroll back to where they were reading. Not to mention coding for it is atrocious. The wiki is not supposed to be a replacement for playing the games themselves. It's to serve as a nice summary for anyone who wants to see the overall story but doesn't have the time to experience it. Even then, finding a Lets Play on Youtube is the next best thing to playing a the game. I don't see why the wiki has to replace Youtube. Kyosei (talk) 16:34, December 19, 2015 (UTC)
 * Saying SNK will make more console games and actually making more are two completely different things. They're pulling somewhat of a risk in 14 as they no longer have their pachislots to cushion them if the game fails. We'll see what happens. Other points: I don't see the point of uploading screenshots just to delete them later anyways. People can just visit the official website for that. In fact I would rather they do that as it'll let SNK themselves see what kind of traffic they're getting and thus interest.


 * You're still not getting what I'm saying how worthless the reference list. Basically every character page and game page pulls info from the same exact sources: the official game/series franchise website or the games themselves. There's literally nothing we could add to these reference lists that could be links that wouldn't be something the average fan hasn't already seen already. It's a lot of pointless busy work. Kyosei (talk) 14:46, December 21, 2015 (UTC)
 * I've not had a single "fan" aka visitors/readers complain about lack of references, it's only "writers". Most visitors only care about how comprehensive the info is on the wiki. It's basically taken for granted everything is accurate as possible baring the occasional troll edits that slip through. Like I said before there already is a form of that on the wiki anyways via the appearance list, which does encourage readers to visit other articles (the External you mention). These link to game articles which already also have references in the form of the external links sections to the official websites. It's already there it's just not called a reference list. This is why I find making another list to do the exact same thing as I said before completely redundant, we'd list this unnecessarily twice. Kyosei (talk) 19:42, December 21, 2015 (UTC)
 * But the links to these things that you complain aren't there are there. Even your hypothetical interview has a link as part of the external link on the 14 page. The only thing is it's called an external link not a reference link. You're just getting hung up on semantics. And complaining about the lack of something when it's not really the case. Kyosei (talk) 20:26, December 21, 2015 (UTC)
 * External link means an outside source of info not on the wiki which is also what a reference is. They are quite literally the same thing in this case. Kyosei (talk) 20:44, December 21, 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes as long as it's on the wiki. Unlike you, I have a lot of faith that readers do not need to have their hands held and can put two and two together when they see the links. And once again a big list of references is already on the wiki. Kyosei (talk) 11:34, December 22, 2015 (UTC)

Re:Garou characters section
Tables are terrible for mobile visitors to view, not to mention it's not really necessary to deal out summaries for each character. It's not like Wikipedia where they won't get their own page. Kyosei (talk) 17:49, December 23, 2015 (UTC)
 * The wikis you site as using tables are also older and did not include the mobile view. You can see exactly how the page will look via mobile via the preview option and the tables are mostly cut off and would require a lot of scrolling sideways to read anything.


 * Character backstories are already included on the character pages themselves. There's no need to copy-paste text for something already on the wiki. Also that page and most of the game pages already have plenty of images. Kyosei (talk) 20:49, December 23, 2015 (UTC)
 * I did a random check at least 12 different fighting games wikis you say do tables for character lists on game pages and found most of them use a simple text bullet point list. Maybe one or two use a table. Only one with images. It's not the overwhelming average you claim and even then why would/should we even if it was.
 * Again, character pages' the story sections are already laid out in a game by game basis as for what the backstory is for a particular game. It only does an overall summary when nothing much changes like say Mai's KOF backstories all tend to be the same between games, trying to impress Andy in some way. Kyosei (talk) 09:59, December 24, 2015 (UTC)