User talk:D3volv3r

Welcome
Hi, welcome to SNK Wiki! Thanks for your edit to the File:5l3rb8.gif page. Enjoy your stay and contribute. Ways you can help out are:


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Please note that this is an automated message. However, feel free to leave a message on my talk page if I can help with anything! -- Kyosei (Talk) 20:19, March 29, 2010

Cards and image categories
Do not bother re-uploading all the images for the CvS DS cards unless you are willing to a) categorize them and b) replace all of the image descriptions they had on them previously. Here is an example of what all the DS cards should look like. I do not have the patience to re-do all of them for you. It's just easier for me to delete the version you upload and use the old image upload. Kyosei 09:22, April 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for taking the time to categorize the images. Just thought you'd like to know that you can categorize the image while you're uploading rather than after you've uploaded it. Simply type in the Summary box . If it has a description like the DS cards, simply copy and paste that before the Category stuff. An example of how this will look like in code would be:


 * Summary: Illustrated by Shinkiro. Card Description: Whatever it says here.


 * Of course you're still free to do it the way you are now, but just thought I'd drop a line on how to speed up the process. Happy editing ^^ Kyosei 22:18, April 3, 2010 (UTC)

Re:Allen O'Neil Jr.
At the moment, image sizes for infoboxes are set to always re-size to be 200px in width. I could change it to allow a manual re-size by editors but it would require tweaking it for every page that currently uses the infobox template. Yup, over 200 articles. I'd rather not go through that again when I had to do it the first time. Personally, I find how the image as it is in the article fine. The larger size does not distort the image too bad and you can still clearly see what he looks like which is the purpose of such images anyways. There is also the option of not having an image there at all as I have designed the infobox code to work without an image as well. If the size really bothers you, you can always remove the image from the infobox. The sprite is still displayed down below in the sprite section in any case and having an image is not a requirement, just an option. Kyosei 02:38, April 9, 2010 (UTC)

RE: Sprites
To be frank, it just makes more sense to me do it by order of series, title number, and company. That's why the rearrangements were done. Mixing in Neo Geo Pocket sprites with the SSRPG ones or the Capcom vs SNK ones is more baffling to me. Well, I guess it doesn't really matter in the end. Sake neko 11:25, April 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * All right, so you like pictures. And you like sprites. My personal answer as to why galleries exist: I'd rather not want to try to get in trouble by the company for posting too many images. Before a lot of users came, it was okay since we were uploading relatively low-resolution images. Now, it's pretty much free game for some reason, and it's getting a bit out of hand. I'd rather not deal with the idea of the company somehow getting upset and suing or whatever since imagespam is well... not really encouraged on any means. This is a wikia after all and it's still under a wikipedia-like license. Not as heavily enforced mind you, but it's still there at the bottom of the edit window I am typing in.


 * Galleries are there to be just that. Imagespam of whatever and any picture that someone wants to put up for a character. Provided, it's still way too obnoxious in some cases, but it's there. They can also become free reign for other media the character is in but not everyone is interested in. Y'know, like the entire CG sets for Days of Memories, those silly mobile games, fanservicey pachi-slot images, and other promotional artwork from Neo Geo Freak that you can find in artbooks everywhere. Not every fighting game fan cares for those.


 * Why are you mixing up the Capcom vs SNK, SNK Gal Fighters, NGPC sprites with the AOF, FF, and KOF ones is still beyond me. It's still not "chronologically ordered" as you claim, and it still alienates the KOF XII sprites like mad. Your new formatting will make them stick out even more than they already do. Your format would also visually undo all of the writing and series separation that exists throughout the entire wikia. What was wrong with separating it by series continuity, really?


 * One of my future plans for this wiki is to someday go back to the card series and go more in-depth with each title. I'd like to create a detailed card list separated by each game, filling a table for each card's cost, effects, and special abilities on the SNK and Capcom sides. I'd like to divide them by character cards, action cards, and then reaction/counter cards and put all of their in-game descriptions and artist credits next to each card. All you're doing is posting an image and claiming that by itself, it shows importance. It seems to me that you haven't really played these games and are only really interested in saying that "so-and-so" had a card.


 * If you aren't going to bother going through the effort of stating what purpose each card has, why bother keep them on a character page? Unless you decide to carry out this plan or until I get the will to do these pages, that's all those cards that you are posting up are really doing. If that's all you plan to do, they are better off in the gallery page. The newest character card in a character's appearance section is there as a silent reminder that "so-and-so" had a card in the game. Sake neko 09:21, May 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ugh, no. That's not how it works. I'm not saying that it's entirely illegal. I'm just saying that separating galleries makes it easier to verify what is actually good to have on a wikia. We still have to verify what is "free for use" and all that jazz, a tedious procedure to be sure. I'm trying to say is that this is not a personal website. If you read the actual wikia rules, it says that we basically have to give a strong position on what is okay to post. Saying that every single image that we post is "free for use" and "public domain" is just nonsense. It doesn't really help that others think it's okay to do so. This is the critical flaw about this wikia that still needs working on. Frankily, you can stop criticizing on my actual concern and try to help me think of a good copyright instead.


 * Another thing I don't really like with too many images on a page is that it can really take away from what people are wanting to read: the character. Notice how many KOF and other SNK characters got nuked on wikipedia because they are "notable"? Yeah, that stings a bit. Yes, images surely help. But I don't agree with the idea that many, several, lots of images are also needed for a character to verify themselves. This is what apparently Ryu is all about. His story still mixes up the series continuity and I see a lot of pictures for a guy who doesn't change that much. I mean, he changes his appearance how many times in all of his character appearances? I can count them on two hands really. Putting too many pictures for just one appearance just seems like obsessive decoration.


 * I actually do appreciate that you took the time to personally load and time and rip each sprite. I didn't really mean for my last part to be condescending and I'm sorry that you took it that way. I really apologize. If you want to help me organize a chart for the cards, can you try to get together info from the second game then? That way we can work out it and see how this goes. Sake neko 20:06, May 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * Real quick comment: King Lion's card in the DS version is the Shadow Warrior action card not the Shishio card. I get those too confused all the time, but the descriptions help to distinguish the two. Sake neko 21:00, May 4, 2010 (UTC)

Cards and sprite order
Woah time out. I don't want to you to see this as a slight against you as your contributions being treated as "trash" in comparison to other edits and not worthy of a spot on the character articles. I will explain my position on the matter. Do not see this as me trying to insult you in an underhanded and petty kind of way. That is certainly not the intention. This is more of an opinion of how I personally feel would be the best direction for the wiki.

I kind of feel like the addition of too many images on a character article can shift people from reading the character's story, which IMO is the true focus and purpose of every character article. Sprites are fine because they are "small" for the most part and show how they usually look like in-game. The gallery is fine to show differences in the character's appearance when the design actually changes in greater detail. Posting every single card, I get a bit iffy on. I don't know. On one hand I know they're not really much different than the sprites. On the other hand, it almost feels like a little bit too much. Like another gallery section, especially when it comes to characters who have a lot of cards like the Samurai Shodown ones. Then there's a whole other can of worms. Should this card section include the UFS cards? Ideally that should probably be the case. It is a card section after all but not those made by SNK exactly. When galleries and image sections become bigger than the actual focus of the article, I begin to think what's the point? Might as well convert the wiki to a gallery site with not much substance.
 * About the cards

However, I do see the value of posting lots of images. In their own way, images can be informative. It saves me and other editors the trouble of describing what the character looks like in a very concise manner. They also serve an archival purpose of showing a character's evolution as it were. So I do like the idea of posting the characters' cards. Sometimes that's all people want. Lots of images all conveniently in one place. What better place to put them than in the character's personalized gallery page? A self explanatory sub-article. For those who just want info, they can read the character's article as they always have and not worry about any extra time spent loading a bunch of images they don't care about. For those who don't care to read and only want images, there's the /Gallery sub page. I see it as a wonderful compromise. It's not that your contributions are being treated as unworthy. I feel it more as they are being showcased on a page for a very specific purpose such as the quotes and move lists sub pages. Think about it. If I really hated the cards being added, I wouldn't have gone through the trouble of doing the gallery sub pages. I would have just arbitrarily deleted every single one of them and told you to: "Stop. What you're doing is unnecessary."

When it comes to sprite order, personally I don't really mind so long as it's somewhat chronologically in order it's fine. Though I do find it weird seeing a NGBC sprite come before SVC sprites and then seeing a CVS sprite mixed in within the KOF sprites. The NGP chibi KOF sprites should also technically go around between the 97~99 era as that's when they were made if we truly wanted to be chronologically accurate. So there's a bit of a confused order of between the series and "time period". Then there's the matter that only Athena's page has this segregated row of "off series" sprites but no other character got the same treatment. I think the best thing to do in this matter is to try to keep it somewhat consistent and do the same thing across the board. Just my 2 cents on the matter.
 * About sprite order

Anyways that's all I got to say on both matters. Once again this is not me trying to insult you in any way. This is just how I feel on it. Kyosei 19:10, May 4, 2010 (UTC)

Re: Reverting Edits
I mostly undid them as I saw some of them put the cards section back and made the mistaken assumption that was what the rest of the edits did. I'll fix the edits I did myself to it's previous version however I will not be putting back any of the cards section if they did have them based the previous opinions I stated above. Kyosei 21:12, May 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * Then I'm afraid that this is a matter that we will definitely have to agree to disagree. Especially on the story matter, as I find only a mere fraction come here for the images in comparison to the character stories based on the search hit references we get from various sources. However, I suppose you opinion is valid and will speak of it no more. Kyosei 18:03, May 5, 2010 (UTC)