Talk:Ryo Sakazaki

This isn't really notable but
Ryo riding his bike in Art of Fighting is a somewhat popular internet meme for the Japanese fandom. It particularly makes fun of Ryo's quote, "I just gotta use my Haou Shoukou Ken!" Ever since then, it's hard for them to take him seriously (with good reason I guess). Since I don't want to really mention this in his article -because I'm not sure if anyone really cares- I'll spam links of this "epic" here. It's pretty funny stuff either way.


 * Part 1
 * Part 2
 * Part 3
 * Part 4
 * Part 5
 * Private Collection
 * Private Collection 2

I'm pretty sure Cybernetics members have seen at least one of these though. Sake neko 08:27, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Apparently Ureshino was aware of this gag as well since he put it into the KoFEX2 ending for Ryo's edit ending. http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm204286 Sake neko 20:05, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Scitron Video
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm574496

From Fatal Fury Special. The video also has an audio interview for his character but he doesn't really say anything that interesting. Sake neko 10:47, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Resemblance
Guys, other wiki's trivia will say a specific character looks like other game's character. But why don't you guys do that? As I proved it, Ken from Street Fighter looks like him! Nathan900130 07:57, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Because that's the pretty subjective trait in wikia that I don't want to spread over here. It's very biased and most people who post such things only consider whatever their culture is exposed to (as opposed to more fitting comparisons from the character's original source of inspiration). I'd only consider putting it if it's really obvious and unavoidable (ie: Dan with Ryo and Robert).


 * Besides, wouldn't you rather read more interesting trivia from fans or developers? Y'know, something that doesn't fit in either their story or fighting style section? Believe it or not, not every fighting game fan knows that you can blow King or Yuri's tops off in AOF 2 and the first two KOFs. Sake neko 18:34, April 29, 2010 (UTC)


 * So are we all just ignoring the fact that Ryo is an obvious Ryu knockoff? TheSwedishElf (talk) 09:56, October 18, 2016 (UTC)
 * If we noted that Ryo is an obvious Ryu knockoff, then the list of comparisons regarding "so-and-so and such-and-such" would be pointlessly endless and, like I said years ago, pretty polarized to a single perspective.


 * From a realistic view, AAA video game studios have been copying whatever is popular at the time for years, even before the fighting game boom. Like how many "Minecraft clones", "GTA clones" or "The Last of Us clones" have popped up in recent memory that you can name? Or before fighting games exploded, how many "Mario clones" or "Metroidvania clones" can you name?


 * I'd say it's better to value your time. Don't bother. Sake neko (talk) 05:06, October 19, 2016 (UTC)


 * meh,ryu hoshi is also a rip off of Mas Oyama in his young days..even in his story

Ryo Sakazaki & Mr. Karate II
Mr. Karate II is not just who you think. Outfit from "Buriki one" in a series "The King of Fighters: Maximum Impact" - an alternative costume from Ryo Sakazaki, who is Mr. Karate from "Buriki one". Completely different character Mr. Karate, that in the series "The King of Fighters: Maximum Impact 2" is presented also as Ryo Sakazaki (scene before the fight with Mr Karate Yuri Sakazaki, where Yuri mistook him for his brother). And in the game as a character called Mr. Karate. It is clear that Mr. Karate is represented in the game as Mr. Karate, but the official costume of the series "The King of Fighters: Maximum Impact 2" his father would come later, ie, in "The King of Fighters XIII" for consoles. From this we must conclude that in Game 3 Mr. Karate and 4 Ryo Sakazaki:

1) Ryo Sakazaki

2) Ryo Sakazaki in an alternate costume as Mr. Karate II from "Buriki one" 

3) Mr. Karate (aka Ryo Sakazaki) as Mr. Karate from "The King of Fighters XIII" or "Art of Fighting"

4) Mr. Karate (aka Ryo Sakazaki) in an alternate costume as Mr. Karate from "Fatal Fury: Wild Ambition"

TerryBogard (talk) 12:11, September 4, 2012 (UTC)

1957?
Okay, I fear this may be quite a noobish question to ask, but... Where specifically does it state that Ryo of the Art of Fighting series was born in 1957?Council of Eight (talk) 04:51, November 29, 2019 (UTC)
 * I don't know where exactly, but I believe it's an extrapolation: Art of Fighting supposedly takes place in 1978 (see Fighters Generation, I've seen the date elsewhere but I can't remember the source) and both Ryo and Robert are 21 years old during the events that take place (see this FAQ). As to where exactly it's stated, I don't know, but I think this information probably comes from game magazines or promotional material from the 1990s prior to The King of Fighters series widespread success (by Art of Fighting 3 dates were no longer stated). It certainly doesn't seem to be declared in either the Japanese Mega Drive or SNES manuals of the home versions. Jfgslo (talk) 05:57, November 29, 2019 (UTC)

I noticed that the murder of Jeff Bogard was consistently stated as happening 10 years before Fatal Fury in the game itself, as well as what seems to be a fan-translation of the prologue comic for Fatal Fury. Art of Fighting 2 certainly seems to imply that Jeff Bogard's assassination was going to happen extremely soon... Sure, Geese was leaving the country at the time, but as far as I can tell the idea of Geese having definitely killed Jeff personally didn't seem to arise until Fatal Fury: Legend of the Hungry Wolf (unless there's something lost in translation?). Except... If we're to assume that Art of Fighting 2 happened exactly 10 years before Fatal Fury, there's just no way it'd take place in the 70s, surely? I'm not trying to be disrespectful by claiming that countless SNK fans have been wrong for so long, and its certainly possible that "10 years" wasn't supposed to be a precise number, just... Stuff like this does kind of make me wonder if 1978 was some kind of Chinese whispers thing. I'm probably wrong, but it helps to be sure... Are you implying that you can read Japanese, by the way? Because I found Japanese Neo Geo manuals for Art of Fighting and Art of Fighting 2 online and wondered if perhaps it was mentioned in either of those.Council of Eight (talk) 17:19, November 29, 2019 (UTC)


 * Don't worry about being disrespectful: countless SNK fans have been wrong in the past (many forget that Athena Asamiya and Princess Athena were originally one and the same, many thought that Chizuru Kagura was killed by Ash at the the end of The King of Fighters 2003, many thought that Jin Chonshu was a girl or that Mai Shiranui said "Me bouncy!". There are several more examples). I also think 10 years isn't supposed to be an exact number. But the 1978 year isn't exclusive to Western sources. Take a look at this timeline of events of the Art of Fighting/Fatal Fury series:
 * http://redcyclone0601.blog.fc2.com/blog-entry-57.html?sp
 * That timeline establishes that Jeff was killed in 1981. However, like in most cases, this is the work of fans based on supplementary material. The problems arise with these supplementary materials that are not in the games (it also affects The King of Fighters series, but not to the extent of Art of Fighting/Fatal Fury). I personally hate Memories of Stray Wolves precisely because it causes this kind of problems and it was not the work of the people that created the games. This work states that Krauser committed suicide after being defeated in Fatal Fury 2,, which contradicts his depiction in that game as a somewhat honorable warrior (even in Kim's ending he appears as being reformed by Kim), in the Real Bout games (notice how Geese is "Nightmare", but Krauser isn't) and even in The King of Fighters (in '94 he and Geese appear both alive and well, and this is prior to Geese's death in Real Bout, which means the Fatal Fury creators had not contemplated Krauser as being dead and he was instead plotting revenge), and it's evident that, since the original creators were no longer at SNK, they instead just took the OVA story and added it to the game canon, despite it having no relation and being contradictory with the in-game story. I truly hate this kind of stuff that's not explicitly stated within the games themselves.
 * Back to topic at hand, while I'm unable to find any direct mention of the year in the games themselves, there is a Japanese comic book credited to Zenji Ishii and Etsuya Amajishi that was first published within the pages of Gamest from August, 1993 to July, 1994 and later collected in a single volume in 1994-08-20,, where the 1978 year is explicitly stated. Note that this is not the mini-comic by Shinkiro, but an entirely different thing by Gamest.
 * https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/龍虎の拳_(漫画)
 * Within that timeline, other Gamest comics are referenced, such as Garou Densetsu no Nazo, which are not strictly based in the games and instead take elements from the OVAs.
 * While not perfect, I can read some details in Japanese, and dates aren't particularly hard to find, just look for 昭和53年 or 1978年 in the manuals that you have. I doubt you'll find the year, though, because if they truly wanted to specify the year, it would've been put in the more fleshed story of the SNES version. Jfgslo (talk) 22:47, November 29, 2019 (UTC)

Interesting... I don't know how highly that Gamest comic was held by the game creators, but that's definitely the best lead I've seen so far. Obviously it would have been preferrable if it was stated in a manual or interview or official website or something, but hey, sometimes you've just got to take what you can get (especially with a lot of fighting game stuff, in which plot tends to be pretty light in the actual games)... Kind of makes me wonder if the Japanese fans are almost as confused as the non-Japanese fans! I admit that part of the reason I started feeling some doubt regarding the 1957 or 1978 date was because of the explictly 32 year old Ryo in the explictly set in 1999 Buriki One where being born in 1957 would have made him 42... I mean, its one thing to change Ryo's date of birthday to have him the same age in King of Fighters as he is in Art of Fighting, but it struck me as particularly bizarre that they explictly decided to go through the trouble of aging him up in Buriki One but apparently not all the way, especially in light of the fact that other Buriki One characters weren't that far off from being 42. Regarding how you read dates in Japanese, you're actually confirming my suspicions on that one, at a glance I've been unable to find such mentions in the available manuals I have currently checked. At any rate, thank you very much for taking the time to give such a detailed response, its just the sort of thing I was looking for and has been very enlightening. Council of Eight (talk) 14:32, December 1, 2019 (UTC)


 * You're welcome. I'm glad I could help. By the way, the following link also provides details of the timeline as gathered by fans:
 * https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/餓狼伝説シリーズの年表
 * A cursory review of the sources shows that most dates are NOT from in-game or first-party sources but from third-party publications, mainly Gamest. Therefore, it is my belief that they are, in fact, NOT CANON. Gamest wasn't particularly influential for SNK game creators as far as I can perceive and Gamest comics' influence amounts even less than others such as the Street Fighter II one by Masaomi Kanzaki, which was also first published in a gaming magazine (sure, the idea of a Gouken comes from there, but nothing else made it to canon). If anything, the Fatal Fury animations were more influential.
 * In short, it seems to me that all supposed canon dates are in fact fans' delusions. As you may know, Fatal Fury endings had dynamic dates meant to reflect the date when a player finished the game, so I'm convinced that the developers never intended to have specific dates in the canon. In fact, I believe Buriki One in-game date also changes according to the day that you're playing it (with the exception of the copyright notice that cannot be dynamic). Jfgslo (talk) 04:02, December 2, 2019 (UTC)

I should have known Japanese wikipedia would shed some further light on the subject, it seems to be something of a goldmine for this. I actually wasn't aware of the dynamic date system in Fatal Fury... Although it does explain why the SNES version doesn't display the date. I did see a video in which an improbable date was displayed, but I assumed at the time it was an error. Needless to say, checking more videos confirms that the date is fluid. However, I think you may be mistaken or misremembering in the case of Buriki One having such a dynamic dating system, as no matter how many videos from different sources I've checked, the game prominently displays "Buriki One '99" in various points of the game (to say nothing of the game's actual title). If there is indeed such a dynamic dating system, I've no idea where its been implemented. In addition, I have found what appears to be the official website going so far as to give Ryo's birthdate for Buriki One (http://web.archive.org/web/20010626004125/http://www.neogeo.co.jp/buriki-one/interview/i_ryo/i_ryo.htm)

In a similar vein, I am also aware of the Fatal Fury 15th Anniversary website (which I assume is an official source) giving Terry Bogard a birthdate (https://www.garou15th.com/character/terry.php). I'm not quite as familar with the Japanese titles as you appear to be, but the website does specifiy as to which game Terry is supposed to be 22... Google translates it as "Legend of Fury 2", which sounds a lot like Fatal Fury 2, but shouldn't that be Legend of Garou 2? Don't suppose you could confirm that? At any rate, I suppose this still wouldn't confirm an official date for the Art of Fighting series... I'm not sure if similar websites exist for Art of Fighting, though I'm not necessarily disputing it, as I only managed to find the Buriki One website today...Council of Eight (talk) 17:34, December 3, 2019 (UTC)


 * It's in the very intro of Buriki One in arcades. Check this videos and notice the "opening day" field that appears on screen:
 * https://youtu.be/TYUIFXpg1qM?t=1m8s at 1:08 mins.
 * https://youtu.be/PoYaHOILuGs?t=1m12s at 1:12 mins.
 * Nevertheless, official promotional materials do state 1999 and in-game graphics show World Grapple Tournament '99. They tried to attach the game to the then-popular in Japan Pride FC events by making it look similar. Even so, the date in-game is dynamic as seen in the videos.
 * It's precisely that type of thing in official websites that makes me believe that the developers themselves didn't meant to have hard dates, specially after what happened with Zangief & KOF. Terry's birthday is correct from the original Neo Geo AES manual of Fatal Fury Special, but, if Buriki One is correct, it immediately contradicts the timeline, which only works if Ryo was born in 1957 (which I believe it's not officially stated in any SNK primary source). And that's supposing Fatal Fury Special manual is taken as canon since the whole game isn't (Fatal Fury 2 is the canon one, Geese didn't officially return until Fatal Fury 3). In any case, nowadays most dates omit the year because this kind of stuff happens. Obviously the original creators didn't expect that their series would have such a long life. I mean, Kyo shouldn't still look like a high schooler as Sakurai joked.
 * So, as far I know, Art of Fighting dates are not officially stated in-game or in a primary source. It might be possible that they are, but a big indicator that they aren't is that no SNK website has them stated, unlike Fatal Fury, only Buriki One, but if Buriki One is correct, it contradicts all of Fatal Fury. Nevertheless, Buriki One Ryo appears to be the only official source directly related to Art of Fighting with an actual year stated. Note, however, that the Japanese Wikipedia article of Art of Fighting doesn't state the 1978 year, unlike the English one, so I'd say it's bollocks.
 * Incidentally, Google is not a direct translation machine but a contextual one, meaning that it tries to reflect the translation via the most common use. It says "fury" instead of "garou" because it tries to output "fatal fury" given the sequence of characters. "餓狼", read as "garo/garou/garō", just means "Hungry Wolf", but the first Kanji is not commonly used nowadays, so it occasionally causes problems with translation machines based on context. If you have these issues, I'd suggest you use instead http://translation.infoseek.ne.jp/ or another Japanese developed. They will not necessarily translate better, but they'll be more exact with the true meaning of Kanjis. Jfgslo (talk) 19:09, December 3, 2019 (UTC)