User talk:Sake neko

Hey, welcome!
Hello Sake neko, welcome to SNK Wiki! I'm Mr.Kraken, this wikia's owner. Feel free to ask anything, although it looks like you've got experience with this kind of thing. Nice article you created, I like it! See ya! Mr.Kraken 13:49, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Well, well, nice job!
Well, since you've joined us I've been liking what you've been doing. Creating articles, adding information, you know what? How about becoming a sysop? What do you say? Mr.Kraken 20:55, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the compliemnts. Er... what does sysop mean? Sake neko 21:49, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Means admin. Want to? Mr.Kraken 23:07, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Not really. I just like adding info on the video company I like. Thanks anyways. :) Sake neko 23:08, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Samurai Shodown / Samurai Spirits information.
Hello, I am Black Shroud, you can view me as one of central figures in current Samurai Shodown online communities, and I believe I know almost all other major figures and players in those communities.. I am into this franchise for more than 4 years and to that end I gathered and translated from japanese alot of related info (including from japanese wikipedia), with thoughts of putting it together then in form of several documents. Actually I like 100 links to related resources, mostly japanese ones. As I see you are contributor of most Samurai Shodown info there, seemingly it is being taken from main wikipedia but I see some new stuff here as well (although there is big chance you were contributor to main wikipedia articles too). I have more info to contribute, however, some of it is too massive for wikipedia format I think, especially Samurai Shodown cultural/religious references (I made several researches on that), full texts of biographies/endings, special remarks about movelists evolution, reviews and so on. If "sake neko" is your main nickname, which means youre not Saiki and not Deuce and that I dont know you already, I would like yo contact you via ICQ or MSN if possible, or in case you are registered on some of Samurai Shodown-related forums, I can contact you there. My ICQ number in 337059977, my MSN is maneev (at) voliacable (dot) com See you
 * Well, this isn't wikipedia and wikia's pretty free reign for that type of info. Just add more sub-sections and explain away. I don't have any of those instant messengers -because they lag too much with my connection- so just reply back here if you wanna stay in touch. I also used to be signed in on forums awhile back, but I don't even remember my older passwords anymore so I can't do much about that. Be a member and contribute! That'd be funner. :) Sake neko 17:48, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Samurai Shodown / Samurai Spirits information.
Hello, I am Black Shroud, you can view me as one of central figures in current Samurai Shodown online communities, and I believe I know almost all other major figures and players in those communities.. I am into this franchise for more than 4 years and to that end I gathered and translated from japanese alot of related info (including from japanese wikipedia), with thoughts of putting it together then in form of several documents. Actually I like 100 links to related resources, mostly japanese ones. As I see you are contributor of most Samurai Shodown info there, seemingly it is being taken from main wikipedia but I see some new stuff here as well (although there is big chance you were contributor to main wikipedia articles too). I have more info to contribute, however, some of it is too massive for wikipedia format I think, especially Samurai Shodown cultural/religious references (I made several researches on that), full texts of biographies/endings, special remarks about movelists evolution, reviews and so on. If "sake neko" is your main nickname, which means youre not Saiki and not Deuce and that I dont know you already, I would like yo contact you via ICQ or MSN if possible, or in case you are registered on some of Samurai Shodown-related forums, I can contact you there. My ICQ number in 337059977, my MSN is maneev (at) voliacable (dot) com See you

Then I have some organisational questions
1st one is I will need to double-save information for my samsho guide and also in case vandalism happens here and this open-source stuff has its chances for vandalism or fake info. Also I would like to keep track not only for changes that are being made there (new info added in all samsho articles) but also I would like to know sources like for example if I will read something I dont know (though I doubt it) it would be interesting for me to hear from where it was taken and isnt it fake. Like if I read Saiki's plot guide on gamefaqs, its not full etc but I can trust him as the source because I know he is interested in supporting genuine info. And then, organisational questions like format of overall terms used. For example Slash and Bust modes though really used in english versions of game are actual mistranslastions of Shura and Rasetsu modes from original japanese versions. They just gone Shura - Shurash - Slash; and Rasetsu - Basetsu - Bust and that loses the sense completely, because Shura and Rasetsu refer to deities of kind and with Bust I only can hear stuff on forums like "Hey, Bust Rimururu is busty!". For another example I dont see sense in two Warriors Rage games. Not only PSX game international title was New Chapter (shinsho means new chapter),but moreso, Asura Zanmaden doesnt means Warriors Rage as well, Asura is name of a character and Zanmaden is translated as "slashin demon legend). Also I cant stand anymore EngRish than game title itself (Samurai Sho(w)down) and because of this I translate all movenames and all I can myself, to preserve original sense. Then if I will "contribute" and do game justice by editing everything as I think will be right, will it beacceptable generally ? I think such things can be talked out before with other posters.
 * Wow that was a lot of things you posted (I guess you're the same guy from before?) but I'll try my best to answer your questions and such.
 * Fake info and vandalism isn't really that big of an issue here. It's basically one of those things where if a fan knows it's wrong, they'll either correct it or raise an objection. Like I said, this isn't wikipedia where we have long and overblown arguments over source validity. The community's smaller so that's a plus (it means we're more laid back this thing).


 * When I add stuff that's from a Japanese only source, I mentioned where I found it in the summary comment box. If someone says it's wrong, I'll scan the page/link the website I found it on and show it the complainer's userpage. Then we can talk out from there whether the info's legit. If it gets to the point where you can't even stand it anymore, report the issue to the admin (in this case, Mr. Kraken). Fortunately, I haven't had to do this yet (although it's happened before at wikipedia). That's all it really should be, y'know?


 * My personal rule of thumb: don't post something up here unless you've got the official info in your hands and know that it's genuine info. A lot of the information that I've been posting lately is stuff that's mentioned in the All About Fighting Volume 2 and The King of Fighters Perfect Reader. It's pretty hard to argue with that.


 * The wikia's generally aimed to appeal to English speakers so that's why everything's er... "not like the original". Some names are just changed by SNK-USA for some reason, simple as that. That's why we list the Japanese title next to the English one so people can not really buy into the weird translations. So in other words:
 * Bust and Slash are just the English equivalent that was first introduced in SSIII. Not everyone knows the original names to everything. If you want, you can post what it's supposed to mean in parenthesis next to the term on the game's page.
 * "Warriors Rage" for the two games came from the English SS Official Anniversary Site. It lists both games using the same "Warriors Rage" name. Yes, their names are completely different in Japanese. That's why the original Japanese is posted next to the English equivalent.
 * Either way, SNK's been pretty inconsistent with their English translations since Art of Fighting and Fatal Fury. I mean "The Three Sacred Treasures" for KOF have been also called "Three God Items", "Divinity Vessels", and at least one other name that I can't remember from the games themselves. They all basically mean the same thing but you hardly see anyone else really use anything but "Three Sacred Treasures", the name first mentioned in KOF '96. Same thing too with Rimururu. She has that whole Rimnerel name floating around, but the name from the game stuck more.

I think that's it. Talk to Mr. Admin if you've got more issues though. :) Sake neko 21:22, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Samurai Shodown / Samurai Spirits
1788 early spring - 1788 early summer

Samurai Shodown II / Samurai Spirits: Haohmaru's Journey to Hell
1789 spring - 1789 summer

Samurai Shodown III / Samurai Spirits: Zankuro's Infinite Sword
1788 summer - 1788 early autumn

Samurai Shodown IV / Samurai Spirits: Amakusa's Advent
1788 autumn - 1788 early winter

Samurai Shodown 64 / Samurai Spirits 64
1789 autumn - 1790 summer

Samurai Shodown 64 Warriors Rage / Samurai Spirits: Tale of Slashing Demon Asura
1790 late autumn - 1790 winter

Samurai Shodown Warriors Rage PSX / Samurai Spirits: New Chapter of Blade
1811

Samurai Shodown V / Samurai Spirits Zero
1786 January - 1786 late summer

Samurai Shodown VI / Samurai Spirits: Tale of World's Greatest Swordsmen
Alternative continuity after Samurai Shodown V

Samurai Shodown Edge of Destiny / Samurai Spirits: Flash
Unknown (but happens certainly after Samurai Shodown 64).

I think its the best to eliminate confusion of game titles and timeline (a official US title, then translated japanese title, then when game takes place in storyline). In Preface you write everything that happened with character BEFORE events of first game he appeared in. I used it in Rimururu article so far but I think it will be the best for using everywhere so I thought about informing you. About place od Edge of Destiny in timeline I judged from Haohmaru's age because he has a date of birth and his age in Edge of Destiny was leaked by one of game developers when he was asked about when game takes place., so I counted and it seems to be between SS64 and Warriors Rage/Asura Zanmaden games, although I doubt it counts as same storyline and not something alternative.

Also please look on my userpage, I made some points there and I want some constructive dialog.Black Shroud 14:52, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Elimination of confusion with "Shin Gaoh" article
link http://snk.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Shin_Gaoh Please read this Black Shroud 11:02, 10 July 2008 (UTC)