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Official 2002 UM team names
http://game.snkplaymore.co.jp/official/kof2002um/character/index.html http://game.snkplaymore.co.jp/official/kof2002um/character/orochi/index.html http://game.snkplaymore.co.jp/official/kof2002um/character/uraorochi/index.html

While I know they are known as the New Faces Team when they first appear, in this dream match their name is changed to Orochi Team and "Another/Other" Orochi Team respectively. Kyosei 01:01, November 8, 2009 (UTC)
 * オロチ = Orochi チーム = Team 裏 = Another side/version, reverse or other side
 * They even changed the name back in 98 UM. I'm not sure how much clearer I can be on the matter ;p Kyosei 02:43, November 9, 2009 (UTC)

Re:Trivia
I don't find this particular trivia very interesting or that important to point out. Yes, I know trivia isn't supposed to be important but I'd like trivia to tell the reader something they wouldn't necessarily know from just either a) looking at a picture or b) from playing the game. For an example of what I'm talking about, see the trivia on a Samurai Shodown character such as Nakoruru or Charlotte. Better trivia would be telling the reader the bird's name, rather than the bird appears in the game. Kyosei 00:31, November 17, 2009 (UTC)
 * The kind of trivia you point out is something that can be easily observed. It's almost the equivalent of saying "the sky is blue and changes colors when the sun sets or rises". That's why I'd rather it'd be trivia people wouldn't know from playing the games or a hard to find nugget of info. Most of the trivia here are things from what developers at SNK say about the character themselves but wouldn't necessarily fit anywhere else on the page. Kyosei 01:59, November 17, 2009 (UTC)

Re:Locked
Only Bao's page is protected. I'm not sure why you're saying his move list is locked so it should be still free to edit. Kyosei 01:22, November 17, 2009 (UTC)
 * You're still free to edit any other page that isn't protected, which is every page on the wiki except for three. I've protected it because you don't seem to understand why I erase your trivia even though I've already told you and just results in an edit war. If you have something to add to Bao's page that isn't trivia that's fine. Until then you're free to edit other pages.


 * Besides if I truly didn't want any of your contributions here, I'd just block your IP address and never bother talking to you. Kyosei 01:30, November 17, 2009 (UTC)
 * Er...spamming my talk page with complaints is not really going to change anything for the better. You can still finish Bao's move list. You're only being prevented from editing Bao's page. It's not a wiki-wide ban. However, if you are being sincere then I will un-protect his page. Kyosei 01:44, November 17, 2009 (UTC)
 * Fine, his page will be un-protected. If you don't honor your word though I will lock his page again. Kyosei 01:48, November 17, 2009 (UTC)
 * Just try not to spam my talk page and keep the trivia standards in mind. Keep your edits neat and clean and you won't hear a peep from me. Kyosei 01:52, November 17, 2009 (UTC)

Re:Chris
Chris, Shermie and Yashiro do not survive beyond '97. That's why they only appear in dream matches. Chris's innocence is a facade. Like Shermie and Yashiro, he only cares about serving Orochi and destroying humanity. Kyosei 01:58, November 29, 2009 (UTC)
 * That still doesn't change the fact that they all die in the end. Chris likes nature because that's Orochi's origins. If you bother to read Orochi's backstory you'd know why he likes nature. Neo Geo Battle Coliseum does not count because that is an alternate universe. Yet another dream match. Kyosei 02:20, November 29, 2009 (UTC)
 * The only things I have from you as "evidence" for the trio's living status is Neo Geo Battle Coliseum (a dream match) and "look at other KOF sites" (entirely vague). If you can show me solid proof of them alive outside of any game that isn't a dream match I'd consider your arguments valid. Until then, they are officially dead in the canon story. Kyosei 20:43, November 29, 2009 (UTC)
 * I probably shouldn't have to mention this, but do not include cameo appearances or games set in an alternate universe (such as the Days of Memories series, mobile games or pachinko games) as evidence. These are mostly made and done for the purposes of providing fan service and ignore canon stories anyways. Kyosei 21:28, November 29, 2009 (UTC)
 * 94 Rebout and 94 are both dream matches and Rebout in of itself is just a remake of 94 anyways. Secondly, cameo appearances do not count because they are inconsistent on who appears in the background. Characters who shouldn't even be there (i.e. Nakoruru, Fio, teenager Rock, and Kaede) also make cameo appearances in the series and the same game. Cameo appearances are just put there as a bonus for fans to find, an easter egg. Kyosei 21:58, November 29, 2009 (UTC)
 * Even if we were to count 94 it still takes place before 97. I'm not asking for evidence of them alive before 97. I'm asking for evidence for them being alive after 97. Besides, I don't consider everything a dream match. Games in the KOF series I'd consider canon are: 95-97, 99-2001, and 2003-XI. Everything else in between is a dream match or an alternate universe (i.e. the Maximum Impact series, EX and the various off shoot games like KOF: Kyo). Kyosei 22:33, November 29, 2009 (UTC)
 * Besides the only thing mentioned as canon from 94 is Kyo beating up Rugal. That's it. Kyosei 22:34, November 29, 2009 (UTC)
 * As a striker. Strikers don't count because, like cameos, they are inconsistent. Nakoruru, Kaede, King Lion, Rocky and other non-canon characters also appear in that game as strikers. Strikers ignore the canon rulings as they are once again put there as easter eggs for fans. Kyosei 22:54, November 29, 2009 (UTC)

Honestly, I don't know about that. Kyosei 23:58, November 29, 2009 (UTC) If there was, it already would have been mentioned on their respective pages. Kyosei 02:14, December 5, 2009 (UTC)

Re: Anti-Hero team
Er...that's nice and all but why are you spamming my talk page with this? You shouldn't be using other user's talk pages for these sort of things. Talk pages are for talking with the person in question. Not so you can list out your personal projects. Please stop leaving this sort of thing on my talk page. It is off-topic and, if you keep doing it, something that I may ban you for. If you want to make these kinds of lists, do it on your own user page. Kyosei 03:39, December 6, 2009 (UTC)
 * Honestly the first thoughts that came into my head were Mugen and Gary Stu. It doesn't seem like much thought was put into choosing the characters' names or creating their profiles. I can't really see characters like these fitting into the KOF universe at all. If SNK were to make an Anti-Hero team, I think they'd put more variety in the group make up and not necessarily have each character match up exactly to each of their foils. Why are they all 19 for instance? Plus they all seem to be male. Why not a female rival for Benimaru because she dislikes womanizers. Kyosei 04:10, December 6, 2009 (UTC)
 * Glad you pointed out the New Faces team as that is SNK's version of the Anti-Hero team anyways. So really, they wouldn't really need to make another version. I still don't see how these characters could fit in the KOF universe. Their motivations for being "rivals" are weak and don't really make sense. Why should their rivals themselves care about these new characters? Why does this Anti-Hero team care about hating Kyo and the others? They saw them on TV and that's it? Lacks a certain kind of depth and is not exactly interesting. These just sound like typical teenage kids who randomly get powers, randomly don't like people on TV and have no real connection to any of the canon. Another thing, why would any experiment care about Benimaru? At least with Kyo you got the whole Sacred Treasure thing going for him. Benimaru by comparison is a regular joe.


 * Becoming a rival should be personal in some way to the characters. Malin is Yuri's rival because she was personally insulted by the latter. Kyo and Iori are rivals due a ancient misunderstanding between their two clans. Terry and Geese are rivals due to the latter killing his father. And so on and so on. There's no personal connection.


 * On another note, this will be the last I will comment on this. If you want to write or get more feedback on your fan fiction, take it someplace else. Also, don't use talk pages such as K9999's, to say silly things like "so and so sucks". You're free to express your opinions and rants about articles on their respective talk pages. However, if you have nothing really positive or constructive to say then don't bother saying anything. It's childish and a form of spam which I will ban you for if you don't stop. Kyosei 23:42, December 6, 2009 (UTC)