User talk:Terry Painkiller

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Terry's official bio info
http://www.garou15th.com/character/terry.php http://game.snkplaymore.co.jp/official/online/mow/chara/index.php?num=terry
 * 誕生日: 1971年3月15日 = Birthdate: March 15, 1971
 * 好きな音楽: ロック = Favorite music: Rock
 * 好きな音楽： カントリー = Favorite music: Country

Straight from SNK themselves. I can even scan an official source straight from the All About SNK book and it'll tell you the same thing. Kyosei 12:57, November 17, 2009 (UTC)
 * The official source book I mentioned I have from above will tell you the same thing and it was printed in 2000 before SNK officially disbanded. Secondly, Playmore is still SNK. It was re-formed by the same people who made SNK to begin with. Lastly, SNK is always inconsistent with dates and ages. They'll make characters younger than they should be or let them stay eternally young if it suits their purposes. Kyosei 13:15, November 17, 2009 (UTC)
 * Gamefaqs is not a good source for citing official bio info. At best, you should only use it sometimes for summarizing a character's story (some faqs are extremely off base on these), movelists, quote pages (English translations can be off) and gameplay notes.


 * Secondly, I hear you have trouble understanding how Terry could be 21 in 1991 in Fatal Fury. It's simple, SNK doesn't care about real world math. Look no further to the King of Fighters series. For example, Kyo. When he first appeared in KOF '94, he was 19. From KOF '95 onwards, he is 20 and still is 20. He hasn't aged one year despite the fact he takes part in multiple tournaments ('96-2000). This is the case for every King of Fighters character. Another example would be Ryo. He has two different birth dates from two different games. Confusing? This is what fans call "retconning". The bios that "Playmore" lists are the exact same things old SNK lists. It's not in anyway "Playmore's" fault. Playmore and SNK are one in the same. I don't quite understand why you want to separate the two. They were both started by the same person. Kyosei 01:11, November 19, 2009 (UTC)
 * Here's the references this wiki uses for all the bio info and any other stuff about the characters. Where are your sources? I'd rather not block you from editing here for inserting misinformation in the character articles since you seem to sincerely care about SNK in general. Kyosei 16:40, November 19, 2009 (UTC)
 * SNKallabout-ff-refs.gif Look here's the scans of all character's birth dates and bio info from the All About SNK book. I even left the page numbers in. This is info straight from old SNK. Now, where's your source? Kyosei 20:56, November 19, 2009 (UTC)

Signing your name
A bit on an un-related topic. Whenever you leave a message on a talk page, you don't need to leave a new message with the subject/heading with your name in it. You can just sign your user name after the message you leave by typing ~ or by using the "Sign your username: ~ " option near the bottom of every page viewed while editing it. Kyosei 13:55, November 17, 2009 (UTC)

--Terry Painkiller 15:27, November 17, 2009 (UTC)--Terry Painkiller 15:27, November 17, 2009 (UTC)

Thank you!!!

Playmore neglecting stories, you say?
I thought that's what other companies following SNK's bankruptcy did. 2000 had Kyo wanting to be a lone soldier and he was ready to take down NESTS by himself. What does he do in 2001? He gets back together with the "old guys", the people he wanted to protect from NESTS, because he felt like it. 2000 had K' ripping off his glove and it is implied that he had the Kusanagi flame under control. 2001 has him back with his glove and he's still relying on it. 2000 had cities being blown up all over the world, and it was looking like doomsday. 2001 makes absolutely no mention of it. Guess what? SNK's remaining old staff was trying really hard to animate the sprites for May Lee, Angel, K9999, Foxy, Zero, Igniz before the end of 2001. They were more worried about game mechanics and losing the rest of their old team, and it shows in their interviews in the 2001 databook.

Of course, there's all the inconsistencies caused by SSV's story. Try comparing some of those characters' stories with what was originally put in place. Good luck with Kazuki, Sogetsu, Enja and Suija. Or try explaining the "confirmation" and then sudden dismissal of Shizumaru being Zankuro's child. Original creators for SSIII said they weren't related. Creators from SSV pretty much said they were.

And that's not to say that the original team was perfect either. Based on the actual "old SNK" databooks alone, can you tell me what actually happened to all the Kyo clones after 1999? Can you tell me, without a doubt, what happened to Wolfgang Krauser after he lost to Terry? Can you tell me if Mary, Duck King, and Richard are still alive in the Mark of Wolves continuity? Can you tell me if NESTS was wiped out? Can you tell me if Genjuro and Ukyo live past SS64-2? Can you tell me if Whip and Kula ever become friends?

So, no. Don't blame SNK-Playmore for messing up stories or continuity. If anything, they're trying to keep the original stories alive and actually expand/play with what's already there. The only glaringly noticeable rewrite I see is Nameless. But to be honest, he's just a dream match character so far and SNK's old team has said they weren't entirely pleased with K9999 anyways. You are free to complain about their creative choices, but don't complain about them messing up the stories.

Besides, I don't see why you're getting upset about Terry's birth year. Or his favorite music. Show me something that's actually official that says "Heavy Metal", "Memorable 90's" or whatever you claim it to be. I only see "Rock". Art of Fighting's story has always been what it has been on the official Neo Geo Online Collection website. Those comics by Shinkiro were released for the first game. There's only a few minor differences between them, but they still tell the same story. Sake neko 13:19, November 18, 2009 (UTC)
 * I will only believe whatever you throw at me if it came from Neo Geo Freak or Gamest. Anything else isn't really the "old SNK" you claim it to be. Sake neko 13:24, November 18, 2009 (UTC)
 * That's still not an actual official source and that's still not what the actual official databooks say. Despite what the numbers say, his age is what's already listed in the actual infobox. Just accept the fact that SNK can't add and move on. Sake neko 21:45, November 18, 2009 (UTC)