User talk:Kyosei

Martial Arts Geese Howard
For some time I have observed some translations torpid about the martial arts of some characters. Geese was what gave me more fatigue research.

Translations fans in English bring the martial arts Geese as Kobujutsu. However, the official websites of the Fatal Fury and KOF leave explicit the term "Ancient Martial Arts", which could imply that he has mastered the ancient martial arts, not strictly Kobujutsu.

If you analyze both high as the background Kobujutsu will see that Geese does not use this martial art in his moveset. The most characteristic would indeed Aikijutsu.

Kobujutsu to Geese and to the Rock's counter-attack moves is wrong.

"Kobujutsu refers to the weapon systems of Okinawan martial arts."

Because of a translation of the term that says "old martial way of Okinawa," the American fans brought to the art of Geese, without analyzing postures and movements.

I would like to correct the biosheet Geese and Rock.

DevilX90
A user by the name of DevilX90 has been harassing me last night over my recent edits of the Goenitz page. I removed the first name "Leopold" from the article, since neobody has provided a source for the name and AFAIK it's never been used officially, but that's besides the point. He's been reverting my edits with hostile edit summaries and then leaving unhelpful comments in my user talk page. After doing some digging up, he seems to have a history of needlessly confrontational and disruptive behavior on other Wikis as well, as evident by his history on the Fire Emblem, Kanaberi and Shantae wikis (and possibly other places I may have overlooked). I understand he's been issued a warning here for his behavior in the past, but I don't think he has has any intention of actually being a contributing member of this wiki (or any wikia for that matter) and merely wants to rouse up other users with petty trolling.

I'm hoping you will take my warning into serious consideration and that your judgement will decide on the most suitable course of action, but I won't be comfortable contributing to this wiki with him around and I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels this way if his history is any indication. Arkhound (talk) 17:48, September 21, 2016 (UTC)

seconding just about all of this. his behavior regarding the Verse/Quotes page is something to behold MelvanaInChains (talk) 12:07, September 22, 2016 (UTC)

Kyosei, there's a troll who is ruining the Goenitz page, and that troll is "Sake Neko". He or She is deleting the word "Leopold", which is supposed to be his official first name, and he/she is lacking proof, thinking that it's "fanmade". I know you warned me before, but now you should give him/her a warning about unnecessary undoing. DevilX90 (talk) 20:53, September 22, 2016 (UTC)

...Fine, I'll stop! But know this: I hate it when they're trying to prove me wrong, that's why I called them "trolls" for disagreeing with me too much! They piss me off, I tell you! DevilX90 (talk) 20:59, September 22, 2016 (UTC)

Nakoruru's Time-Travel Power?
I actually have created a topic for this but since no one reply, i'm gonna have to ask here: Another World Team ending had Nakoruru stated that she's the one who brough Love Heart and Mui Mui into the KOF world so what should we describe her power? And i noticed Love Heart page here said she's transported here by Verse, which doesn't seem right.

Then what's her divide power in SS? Why didn't i see any describsion about her space/time traveling ability? Also, Nakoruru make it very clear that she can travel through different dimesion between time and space at will now. CG cutsence, Verse (or rather Mizuki?) quote against Nakoruru, her ending and even her official XIV profile all mean that so i think we should give some more explaination on her page. Dnoryu (talk) 06:06, September 24, 2016 (UTC)

Then you won't mind if i added more info on her power, right? Dnoryu (talk) 08:20, September 24, 2016 (UTC)

Uh, not if her power justified her whole presence and the fact that she's standing right in KOF canon world. Dnoryu (talk) 04:34, September 25, 2016 (UTC)

Leona Trivia
In the trivia, there's a part about the bug

" This was originally thought to be a bug in the game mechanics, but developers add that it was her showing respect for "real power".

Where exactly is the source of that? Aside the fact I remember that the real power quote is from kof 2002, I always understood it was a bug or programming error in kof 98. If it was not a mistake, then why make her intro vs Ralf to belittle him?

DevilX90 is at it again.
Just to let you know, DevilX90 has been having edit war with fellow contributor Sake neko at the SNK Boss Syndrome article. Sake neko has trying to be civilized with him, but he refuses to reply on any of his single comments. Arkhound (talk) 16:58, September 23, 2016 (UTC)

Second to that, that DevilX90 dude is making and acting like a troll with the Sake Neko guy, and he simply keeps bothering with no intention to calm down and with 0 arguments (at least good ones) to say Kein Sylvan (talk) 19:47, September 23, 2016 (UTC)

Robert's Coin
hey comrade!

I've got an image of Robert Garcia's coin sides,I wanted to post it on Garcia's page but people will tell me where did you get this??or this isn't the real one??or it might get deleted outta nowhere..so anyway here's an artwork of Garcia with his coin:



now all I need is a permission to post another photo of the coin's two sides on his page..can i??

re:re:coin
this is harder than I expected,anyway the image is already uploaded but I couldn't put it next to the other photos,could you please do it..?

no,errrr press that image,you'll get all the images on this wiki and the recently uploaded below..you'll find

it there!Sorry for this trouble!

is there something wrong?
Is there anything wrong with my edits, do you mind telling why did you reverted my edits? A had a lot work adding them! Tesshu (talk) 16:00, October 17, 2016 (UTC)


 * Again you reverted my edits with absolute no reason, what was the problem now? Tesshu (talk) 21:11, October 17, 2016 (UTC)
 * Well if am not mistaken Nakoruru died and centuries later in Kof XIV, she found herself alive again in the modern world she even decided to stay in the ending of her story. About Zankuro he revived after he was killed/defeated by Haohmaru and Shizumaru after this events he is killed again by Sogetsu. Mature and Vice revived somehow but we are not exactly sure how they did it, i guess by the powers of Orochi. Basara is revived zombie. Tesshu (talk) 21:29, October 17, 2016 (UTC)


 * I understand what you're saying, thanks for the information. Tesshu (talk) 21:39, October 17, 2016 (UTC)

About Edits
Dude, someone has to make something about edits. Is there a way to demand to write a summary any time someone edit something? Kein Sylvan (talk) 17:52, December 14, 2016 (UTC)

Not a fan of Edit Wars, and the challanges in Fanon
To be honest, I hate Edit Wars, and for the record:

After I saw the characters' wiki pages (E.g. Bonne Jenet and Leopold Goenitz) go only by their official canon names (E.g. B.Jenet and Goenitz), most if not all Wiki users are comitting an Edit War not only at SNK wiki, but on other wikis as well, and mostly Wikipedia.

Sometimes I wonder: Do we have a rule to hate and/or to decline fanon on Wikipedia/Wikia? or Should we accept and love fanon in Wikipedia/Wikia?

But to me, I'm not a soldier who want to declare an Edit War...I'm just trying to correct/fixed things that will understand the importants of their wiki stories. I respect you (Kyosei) and Kein Sylvan, and I want to be like other Anti-Edit War users who are messing thoughtout the wikis that are not considered officially canon. KieveBulaon (talk) 10:56, December 15, 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the mention.  I respect the SNK wiki (english version) and I trust in the criteria by Sake Neko and Kyosei.  This wiki has to be neutral and say the official data, not fan based ones.

For the personalities yeah but we still need to find out who's good, neutral or evil

King of Fighters WCS
Should there be a page for this?

Considering this is the first time SNK has ever done an official  international  event to this extent.Dnoryu (talk) 06:14, February 22, 2017 (UTC)

Can you do it instead? I think i would mess them up if i were to do it. Dnoryu (talk) 17:12, February 25, 2017 (UTC)

Btw, I am sorry for posting the KOF IV article back in 2013. I was careless, and I didn't actually read the rules. Sorry about that..... Clint242 (talk) 02:42, February 27, 2017 (UTC)

Delete Wrong page insert about Vanessa in XIV
Help! XoX

ScottKazama (talk) 13:26, March 16, 2017 (7:00+)

Relationship with Mugen
I know Wikia only uses canon materials, but after saying things like "Do not add mugens, this is more game created by SNK only" on Gustav's page. Do you not trust/love Mugen? I mean, it's a customizable 2D fighting game engine for those who love the old/classic games.

There's also a Wiki version of Mugen called MUGEN Database

MUGEN is not official or canon stuff. That's not hard to figure out. Welcome to your doom! 17:22, May 17, 2017 (UTC)

GOG.com community co-operation
Hey,

I'm the Community Specialist for GOG.com, and I was looking to touch base regarding possible joint community actions between the wiki and GOG.com. Let me know if this is at all of interest and if so, let's connect and I'll give you more details/ideas.

Thanks,

Fables22 (talk) 12:50, May 18, 2017 (UTC)Daniela

We should add alignments on the infoboxes for the characters, for some reason, Most of the wikia's in other fighting games has them but KoF doesn't have it. Without adding Alignment in the infoboxes, we won't know who's good, evil or neutral. like for example

Hello, I would just like to leave a general message to the admins of the SNK wikia staff. Can you please lock Orochi's page? Cause there is blatant fanboyism going on over that fact that Verse did in fact absorb Orochi's soul, and some user by the name of Dnoryu is writing that it was just "a fragment". Where he got that? Who knows... just typical crybaby fanboyism of Orochi I've seen in the KOF fanbase due to how weak and disappointing their precious god really is and wanking him to infinite levels when all evidence says completely otherwise.

They have no knowledge of the previous lore prior to KOF XIV or Verse. Verse is still fragment of a greater Verse residing outside the earth and damaging the fabric of space and time as a collection of eternal negative energy. I am using all evidence gathered, unlike Orochi fanboys who are all over the place, all have different opinions and have no regard to their lore as long as their characters come back to the game. Sad

Mandrakk The Dark Monitor (talk) 16:33, August 13, 2017 (UTC)

Please delete these page. They are not suitable.

Thanks!

Delete these !

http://snk.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Busty_B****es

http://snk.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Busty_B*tches

Can you also ban ''SCREW98 as well. ''

Saxophones Blessing (talk) 17:14, October 3, 2017 (UTC)

Hi. I'm kinda new to wiki editing and Talk Page stuff and things, so I hope this gets to the right place.

Anyway, I was wondering about the page for Jan (aka Jean) and what the source for his backstory is, as I have been verrrryyyyy slowwwwly trying to translate the All About SNK 1991-2000 book, and there is no mention of him ever being held captive by Mr. Big or his cronies. (Which also ties in to King's backstory, which never mentions her being "forced" to work for Big for any reason.)

Thanks!

Thelexhex (talk) 00:28, October 5, 2017 (UTC)

Hi again. One other thing: is the South Town page locked? I have been trying to edit the location (it's in California) and upload the proof of said location (a screen shot from The King of Fighters: Kyo) to no avail.

Thelexhex (talk) 02:39, October 5, 2017 (UTC)

Troll
If possible could you ban the user Giovannifelix1. He's constantly been changing Vanessa and Ramons names into Leon "Vanessa" Kuwata and Fuyuhiko "Ramon" Kuzuryu. And then also changes the height and age all while making it slightly more time consuming to edited again by constantly editing in any slight changes.

Saxophones Blessing (talk) 10:21, October 29, 2017 (UTC)

Technically, I agree with Saxophones, we woulden't want to suffer another "Leopold Goenitz" problem, and Giovannifelix1, ABS-CBN CDO and Agentloser88 should be banned for their absurd information. KieveBulaon (talk) 02:11, October 30, 2017 (UTC)

Is their is anything i need for more snk news let me know i need help with that.

New Arabian Female for S2 DLC XIV
https://www.eventhubs.com/news/2017/nov/20/new-saudi-arabian-female-character-and-masmak-fort-stage-coming-king-fighters-14-dlc/

You think she could be related to Kukri? ScottKazama (talk) 22:37, November 20, 2017 (UTC)

Add the characters and stages
You forgot to add the pictures of eleven characters. http://snk.wikia.com/wiki/Ragnagard You forgot to add Eelis' stage and Lucifer's stage. What about their select screen portraits, victories and endings? What about galleries, sprites, powers and personailities? Arrimas 00:31, January 2, 2018 (UTC)

hey i wanted to add Images from KOF98 UM OL Unrelased images of Goeniko on her page, i dont know how
Found on twitter, Sprites for goeniko, the art of it and the other things that intimidate her

Subject: Rock
Do you think we should delete the whole thing about his KOF appearance w/staffs and stuffs altogether? It's getting tiresome with all these edits and at the end of the days, i don't think it means anything anymore. Dnoryu (talk) 05:10, January 28, 2018 (UTC)

Duplicate Page
These are the ones I mentioned before, 2 pages for the same game. P.O.W: Prisoners of War & P.O.W. - Prisoners of War. StarDragonJP (talk) 23:12, March 3, 2018 (UTC)

KOF: ANB Storyline
With the manga covering XIV tournament, will we update and follow it's events to the characters and stuffs? Especially in the case where differences from the game occur. Dnoryu (talk) 09:50, March 6, 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, but i didn't really mean it as noting the difference, i'm talking about which path we were to take/follow if something happen. Since SNK's going out of their way to make a manga (and not a manhua) version of XIV after almost two years after the game release, it must mean something, right? For example: what if we don't see the appearance Love Heart & Mui Mui in ANB since they decide to use this manga to rewrite/fix stuff to make it more coherent and then go with these events to XV. Especially in the case of Love Heart's Sky Love no longer being SNK's property so they cannot utilize her in future media. Dnoryu (talk) 06:08, March 8, 2018 (UTC)

P/S: Can you delete Goeniko/Gallery page? Thanks


 * Well, it's a manga from SNK Japan and they previously did the manhua for XIV but canceled it and like you said, they don't need a manga for this kind of thing but here we are now and with given opportunity, why not? In LH's case, it's an assumption that she won't appear (but given she will in SNK Heroines, who know?) because even in the canon game, "team" Another World does not make sense presence-wise and that's when the roster's decided before SNK got bought out and was still going to favor pachislot. Dnoryu (talk) 11:46, March 8, 2018 (UTC)
 * We can only hope. And frankly, the whole media expansion thing was because SNK is too piss poor to do anything about it and most of their media projects didn't turn out well. At least with "A New Beginning", the title itself makes it sound like they're serious, like they realize how bare bones XIV's is and decide to renew everything in the comic, hence new "beginning/start", again. --Dnoryu (talk) 02:42, March 9, 2018 (UTC)

Opinion
Why do you allow opinions that only you see see it on the pages?? What purpose do those sections have???
 * The Similar character section is for newer fans who may not necessarily know about the alternate versions of the character and why they are or not considered the same person. Just because it isn't useful to you doesn't mean it doesn't serve a purpose for others. 00:59, March 9, 2018 (UTC)

Can you do something about user Amandamay3711? This one keep littering images on the same VA page over again. Dnoryu (talk) 20:36, March 15, 2018 (UTC)

Najd
Do you think we can use info from these concept to add to her main page? Concept 1 - 2 - 3. And which nationality should we classify Najd? Saudi Arabia or Middle East? Dnoryu (talk) 15:14, March 22, 2018 (UTC)

Oh and can you ban user 109.252.26.168 and delete his pokemon page? Thank you for your time.

Stages are missing.
Kyosei, what about Eelis' and Lucifer's stages? Arrimas 16:24, April 15, 2018 (UTC)

Athena Asamiya
Hello, on the Athena Asamiya talk page, another member and I are discussing the credibility of sources.

The other member states that it is implied that Athena has a crush on Kyo in multiple sources but does not list any of the sources specifically and goes off of memory. I have provided counter sources for clarification about Athena not having a crush on Kyo.

They keep undoing my edits, what should we do? Saltamiya (talk) 04:15, April 23, 2018 (UTC)

The sources were in the edit. I also provided you another website with similar statements. You havn’t given any counter sources.--FFMaverick01 (talk) 04:20, April 23, 2018 (UTC)

Your source is not valid, as you just say it's a memory from listening to the drama CD without any quotes or translations. My counter sources are the KOF: Kyo manga in which it is a gag. "Page 17 shows Yuki's misunderstanding and page 30 shows the clarification. I don't see where it's mentioned outright, can you show me?" You don't have to give the sources now, just add it when you find them and then we should put that Athena has a crush on Kyo in the article. You're giving implications, which aren't fact and shouldn't be significant enough to keep in the article. Implications are your interpretation. You're even undoing my edits that have nothing to do with Athena and Kyo. Saltamiya (talk) 23:15, April 23, 2018 (UTC)

Check the page I restored your edits except for personality, which you had no real reason to remove. Any detail to personality is enough to to keep in article. There is enough indidications in her actions to at least imply such, as well as other wikis forming similar opinions. I will not argue further with you.--FFMaverick01 (talk) 00:17, April 24, 2018 (UTC)

We shouldn't keep unsourced material on the Wiki pages. You keep insisting that Athena's crush is in different media, but you only cite the drama CD, which you haven't referenced directly and rely on a memory from one year ago from a video whose link was taken down. You also insist to keep Athena being a "crybaby" in personality when she is more than willing to fight and considers herself a fighter before considering herself an idol. I'm patiently waiting for the admin to help us resolve this situation. Otherwise, this is just ascended fanon and TVTropes is not a reliable reference for lore as it doesn't have references and anybody can edit it. Saltamiya (talk) 14:07, April 29, 2018 (UTC)

Sonia Romanenko.
Hi, Kyosei. I come to tease you again ... hehe ... This time it's about the character Sonia Romanenko. Unfortunately there is some information on her biosheet that does not appear on the official game site redirected by SNK's official website. Items like "Like", "Dislikes", "Favorite Food" or "Fort In Sports" are filled with information without official reference. I believe there should be a way to prove such information or as soon as it is discarded from the character's page.

Thanx, bro.

Stories
Do we even need a page for all of these team stories when one can just mention it and then link to the official site? It's tedious and feel like makings thing up for the sake of making things up (and not going through with it). Dnoryu (talk) 04:31, April 27, 2018 (UTC)
 * I get the backup part, but since here's a fan-wiki, there will be made-up stuffs sooner or later and like you once stated, people would still need to go the official page for accurate info/source just so SNK could see how much traffic they get to be related to the interests of people. And personally, it's redundant seeing the same name gets linked and repeated many times in one page while the ones who comes here must have already known who go with those names. Dnoryu (talk) 03:26, May 6, 2018 (UTC)

An Unwanted Problem
Greetings Kyosei. This is PsychicForceStarGladiator86 speaking to you from within this message. I wholeheartedly apologize if I'm interrupting your personal business and everything Kyosei, but there's an unwanted problem that I wish to speak to you about at the moment. There's a user here by the name of Chaparroquirozfernandoraul who's vandalizing the pages with false information and given their immature persistence, it's quite safe to say that they're only trying to cause unwanted trouble for the website itself. I hereby request that the specific user be permamently blocked so that they don't continue to vandalize the website in the near future. Thank you for your time and cooperation Kyosei.

PsychicForceStarGladiator86 (talk) 01:03, June 9, 2018 (UTC)

A Desperate and Immature Troll User
Greetings Kyosei. This is PsychicForceStarGladiator86 speaking to you from within this message. I wholeheartedly apologize if I'm suddenly interrupting your personal time and everything Kyosei, but it seems that we have a new problem at the moment. A desperate and immature troll user whose IP address is 95.92.234.106 has been currently vandalizing the site with false information and that both myself and fellow SNK Wiki user Saxophones Blessing have been relentlessly fighting back in eliminating the vandalism itself. I hereby request that the IP address 95.92.234.106 user be permanently blocked from the site so that they can't cause anymore unexpected and unwanted trouble from within the near future itself. Thank you for your time and cooperation Kyosei.

PsychicForceStarGladiator86 (talk) 18:22, June 23, 2018 (UTC)

Videos
I can't find anywhere on the site that says videos aren't allowed on content pages. Could you point me in the direction of that policy? Looks like the E3 video was removed from the SNK Heroines: Tag Team Frenzy page without comment, and I've got a Features trailer now. Raylan13 ( talk ) 18:05, July 19, 2018 (UTC)

KOF98UMOL PLAYABLE CHARACTERS
Hey, I'm running the sub reddit for the KOF98UMOL gamme I would like to talk to an admin about the playable characters list from the KOF98UMOL page. There's a list with a lot of unreleased characters there and I would love to know the source. Thank you!

Bao
I need to know if Bao appears in these novels: The King Of Fighters 2000: Icicle Doll / The King Of Fighters 2001: More Than Human / The King Of Fighters 2001: The Gods Themselves - Willrst

A Quick Request
Greetings Kyosei. This is PsychicForceStarGladiator86 speaking to you from within this quick message. I've come to tell you that an SNK wiki user with the address number 177.228.48.242 has been constantly adding categories to pages that doesn't belong there and given their own constant persistence, it's quite safe to say that they have no intention of stopping any time soon. I hereby request that the 177.228.48.242 user by permanently blocked so that they don't end up causing any more unwanted and unnecessary trouble for the wiki itself. Thank you for your time and cooperation Kyosei.

PsychicForceStarGladiator86 (talk) 00:52, August 8, 2018 (UTC)

kyo's Age

i wanted to make a connected timeline of Art of Fighter, Fatal Fury and The King of Fighters,  so i wanted to know the official birthdate and starting age of Kyo Kusanagi when he first debuted in his first game so that the timeline can be done accurately, that is if you know or have any information regarding that.Evilcivilian (talk) 05:02, August 27, 2018 (UTC)

A Second Quick Request
Greetings Kyosei. This is PsychicForceStarGladiator86 talking and speaking to you from within this quick message. I've come to tell you that an SNK wiki user with the address number 177.228.50.218 has been constantly adding categories to pages that doesn't belong there and given their own constant persistence, it's quite safe to say that they have no intention of stopping any time soon. I hereby request that the 177.228.50.218 user by permanently blocked so that they don't end up causing any more unwanted and unnecessary trouble for the wiki itself. Thank you for your time and cooperation Kyosei.

PsychicForceStarGladiator86 (talk) 02:16, August 28, 2018 (UTC)

Portability
Hello! I'm Patrik, and I'm representing FANDOM's Vanguard team. We're users who volunteer to help communities adopt to new technologies and features, like content portability. We've identified as a high priority for introducing the Portable Infobox tool, which has a lot of benefits for your community. Rather than get into all of the metrics and numbers (though I can present some of those if you're interested), I'll keep it simple. I'd like to reproduce as much as possible the look and feel of your desktop infoboxes in global CSS, and work to update the Infobox templates themselves so that they can be accessible on any current and future platform. Maintaining them if you want to make changes should be very simple. This change will have minimal effects on the current design of infoboxes, as shown below. If I can do this successfully for some of your most commonly used Infoboxes and present some proof of concept, can we work together to do all of them? We'd really like to get working on your community, but we would appreciate your go-ahead. Also, if you have any questions, or this is the wrong venue for this kind of a discussion, please let me know. Thanks!


 * Excellent! I'll let you know when they're done so you can review them.


 * VehicleInfobox and Infobox VG both have somewhat different themes from the rest of the infoboxes. Do you want them to keep their current appearance or would you be fine if I changed them to look like the other infoboxes (e.g. CharacterInfobox)?


 * Could you please take a look at the infobox drafts here? Please review the styling and code, then approve them if you're satisfied. Let me know if you have any questions or concerns about the drafts.


 * As mentioned before, your community is a high priority. Working with you on this project would be helpful. I've completed all Drafts and my testing, and these should be ready to approve. Please expect that Vanguard will approve these drafts on or after December 3. Thank you for your consideration, and I hope we can produce a result that works for everyone.


 * I have approved the drafts, as stated above. Please let me know if you encounter any issues with them.

November Problem
Greetings Kyosei. This is PsychicForceStarGladiator86 talking and speaking to you from within this quick message. I've come to tell you that the pathetic and immature user known as ChrisCmon is back with a new account as ChrisCmon 2001 and that he's been vandalizing the Geese Howard and Zankuro Minazuki pages with his idiotic spamming, which has already been reverted and restored back to normal by fellow SNK wiki user Sirkinsella98. I hereby request that ChrisCmon 2001 by permanently blocked so that they don't end up causing any more unwanted and unnecessary trouble for the wiki itself. Thank you for your time and cooperation Kyosei.

PsychicForceStarGladiator86 (talk) 19:37, November 21, 2018 (UTC)

Characters revived by Verse?
Someone created a category for this and been adding it to pages, but none of this is confirmed, as the game only ever shows Ash and Orochi having been revived. Welcome to your doom! 13:49, November 23, 2018 (UTC)

November Problem #2
Greetings Kyosei. This is PsychicForceStarGladiator86 talking and speaking to you from within this quick message. I've come to tell you that a pathetic and immature user by the name of Coiny01 has been vandalizing the site with their idiotic editing. I hereby request that Coiny01 be permanently blocked so that they don't end up causing any more unwanted and unnecessary trouble for the wiki itself. Thank you for your time and cooperation Kyosei.

PsychicForceStarGladiator86 (talk) 21:05, November 28, 2018 (UTC)